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outlandish AWF Admin 
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I'm having hard time getting my answers posted for some reason.COB I apologize for the inconvenience. We are having problems with the server we are on. We will be switching to a different one soon.......hopefully LOL
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Me and my riding buddies are thinking about making a trip out to Moab to do some riding but it will be about a 9 day trip and thats tuff to plan for a bunch of people. we would be driving from michigan.
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COB Member
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I have some great video from there, past trips. Holler at me and if interested will send you a couple. I can help you plan the trip there if you want any help, have been riding it for 10 years so know MOAB pretty good. cob@mywdo.com http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-580596818050083944&pr=goog-sl&hl=en Last edited on Thu Jan 11th, 2007 02:04 pm by COB |
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I'm surprised in all the discussions that there's been no mention of which Mfg. has the best warranty (unless I missed it). Wish I could offer that info. but I don't know........ 
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I already know this info... Can-Am has a 6 month + 30 month extendend with a $50 deductible on all major components Po just has a 6 month warranty, and that's it. Arctic Cat also has a 6 month + 30 month extended with a $50 deductible on all major components. The is on the '07s...'06 is 6 + 18. This is what I've been told directly by the dealers.
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OK guys, I've been to the dealers again today, and I've looked at, rode, and priced wheelers again. I'm still not sure...I really like the features of the Cat. The racks are superior, and the 2" riciever hitch is awesome, and I like the total set up, BUT...I said earlier that the ride wasn't that important to me, but now I'm wondering. The ride and espicially the seat is much better on the Po. And from the test rides today, the Po just handles much better. I think the Cat is a better work horse, but regardless of influences and what I read, I just keep coming back to the Po. Plus the Po dealer still has 2 '06 450s left, and in the 500s he just has '07s. It will cost me $1500 more to buy an '07 500, than a '06 450. I really like the 450. The 450 Po has a lot more power than the 400 Cat from my time on the seats, and it would still cost me $ 300 more to get the Cat 400 than the Po 450. I don't like the fact that the Cat is air/oil cooled compared to the 450 Po being liquid. Fill me in on this info because I need advise here...I talked to the Cat dealer about maintenance, and he basically said that the only thing you need to do to the Cat is chainge the oil as needed, and that Cat doesn't specify maintenance like changing the fluid in both differentials, and that the suspension bushings are non-greasable and maintenance free. I like this aspect, due to the low maintenance needs. I know the Po has several grease zerks that need a shot of grease every so often, which requires maintenance, but I like that it is greasable. What about the differentials on the Po, and other maintenance issues? What service needs done to the Pos??? Even the Po dealer told me today that they have had some belt issues. the Cat dealer has been a dealer for 8 years, and said that they have only had to replace 1 belt in all that time, and that was because the guy ran it into the river, pullws it out with a truck, then continued to drive it for a month without draing the belt housing...even then the warranty covered it. Basically I'm wanting to know what maintenance needs done to the Po vs. the Cat. From talking to people, the Cat is a lot less maintenance. I like low maintenance. All of you Po guys and Cat guys...help me out here. Right now I think the Po 450 is a better buy than the Cat 400, but am still considering the Cat 500. However the Cat 500 will sost me $1,100 more than the Po 450. Really maintenance requirements will make my decision here. I don't want to spend a bunch of time servicing the machine instead of riding it.
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Since I have only owned Polaris, that is all I really know about. I will pass this along from a guy that I know well. His friend a lady has a CAT and seems they have problem with a seal in the clutch housing. I don't know alot about it just what he had told me. As far as belt problems would like to know what issues he is talking about. I have a 06 800 with over a thousand miles on it with original belt and will be several more before I change it out unless I screw it up. As far as driving a CAT a month after sinking it, well as with all CATs they don't like water. There is no way that guy drove a month with any thing in the housing, first off if there was any water it would have been slipping the belt, just running the machine would have dried the whole thing out. Me thinks I'd take any thing this guy says with a grain of salt. If you have your heart set on the 450 then do it, but to me you are making a big mistake, it won't be long down the road you will wish you had gotten the 500. Why you think 450's are still sitting on the floor and all 500's are gone? You are the only one that has to be happy, so do what ever makes you happy. As far as maintenance I have changed oil and fluids in mine. That is all. I change my engine oil the first time at about 50 miles that gets rid of most of manufactoring junk. Same with other fluids I like to change them to make me feel good and I know that they are full. I don't depend on what dealers says. Suggesting that you don't have to change fluids in tranny or any thing should throw up a red flag. Fluid is fluid and it if it is doing what it should, it will need changed. I hated it when POLARIS done away with the grease zerks, go ride thru some water come home and shoot some grease in the zerks 9 out of 10 times you will be pushing water out. The bushings being sealed is ok but how do you know there isn't water in them, you can keep water in but you can't keep it out. Doing a little maintenance is a good thing, it gives you a chance to look the machine over see some bolts or nuts that may have came loose or a cvt boot that got tore or what ya. If you just want to ride and never service the machine you have problems ahead of you. You ride these machines in extreme conditions and it will take a toll on them. You take care of the machine it will return the favor and take care of you. I know POLARIS have several things they suggest that you do at least yearly some more often, but isn't like it will take you 3 days. No matter what dealer says you need change oil, you need service air filter real regular and more often in dusty conditions. Last edited on Sun Jan 14th, 2007 02:23 am by COB |
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hoopie Member
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COB nailed it for you. If its between the po 450 and cat 400 get the po. Its a better quad. If its between the 500's the po has efi, but the cat is lower maintance, and a better work horse. To me the 500's are equal and it just depends on what features you want more. No matter what you need to do maintenance on any quad, with cat its just not as often or should i say not as much work is required during the maintenance. You must take care of it or it wont take care of you and you will be saying you bought a peice of sh*! and in reality it will be your fault. Learn to enjoy it as its part of the atv experiance. Let me quote COB here for you again "You are the only one that has to be happy, so do what ever makes you happy."
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sharkman Member
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Let me clarify a couple things here...I may have made it sound like I don't like to do maintenance on things, and that I want the machine with the least maintenance so that I don't have to do any maintenance...VERY WRONG...I am Mr. maintenance guy, and I usually overkill on miantenance and service items. I currently have 4 vehicles, 2 of which are high mileage and require a lot of up-keep maintenance itmes. I always do needed service, tune-ups, brakes, fluid changes, etc. when I feel they are needed...for example, I just spent $1,350 this week on my truck rebuilding the steering and suspension components because I thought that it was due, and was concerned that my tires were wearing improperly...... Point is that I'm all about maintenance, and just wanted to know if the Po required a great deal more maintenance that the Cat. Second - to address COB...To me it's not worth spending $1,500 more to get the 500 over the 450, when I thnik that the 450 should do everything that I need. Sure the 500 is more of a machine than a 450, no question there...it's just the money difference. That may not sound like a big deal, but that's cash out of my poctet! I've got a wife that went back to college, a daughter in high school with a driver's license that's going to be going to college in 2008, 4 vehicles, and a mortgage. Needless to say money is an issue here!!! I would love to have a big bike like a 700 or 800, but that's not an option because of the money involved. I just want to buy enough of a machine that I'll be happy with it, but not kill me financially. It's a delicate balance. I love to ride, and have had wheelers all my life until the last 3 years because I've had other financial obligations, and had to sacrafice my wheelers. I just want to get back into it now that I can afford it, an get a machine that I can afford that will be easy to own and not have a lot of maintenance issues. In summary...I want to, and definately will do the necessary maintence on whatever I get, and honestly I will probably do more than is even needed...I was just wondering if the Po required more maintenance than the Cat is all? Hope I didn't offend anyone with above. Realistically about $6,000 is all I'm going to be able to spend on a wheeler, and just want to buy the best I can get for the money. I'm also still considering the Bomb 400 also, but know I'm going to have to buy the $300 Ricochette skids right off the bat, which makes it more money than the Po or the Cat, and I hear they require more maintenance expenses than the others also.
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Understood sharkman, I always felt the atv was the cheap part of riding. With maintenance, gas money for atv, and traveling to trails. Aftermarkets (god help me there) insurance if necessary, orv stickers or licensing, trailers, clothes and other gear sure seem to add up. Take those into consideration also. If money is an issue you can always buy used. You can get a lot more quad for less money that way and as long as you do your homework (which you do) you will be ok on the used purchase. Just an idea to think about. For example I see 750 brute forces for 5k all the time and poo 700 and 800's for under 6 daily. The outlander 400 is a great trail quad but the polaris and arctic cat is going to be much better for your use. Dont get the 400 cat because you will regret the lack of power later on. I personally think you should shop around more at differnt dealers to find a poo 500 or cat 500 at a price you can afford. The deals are out there and would be worth the travel if your going to buy new. If you havent checked out the kingquad 450 efi it may be worth your while if you can find a dealer willing to deal on it. heres a link to a reveiw. I personally checked it out and think its an awesome quad for a 450. http://atv.off-road.com/atv/article/articleDetail.jsp?id=385708&ref=25 Yes the poo requires more maintenance but I wouldnt let that be the deciding factor. Its something you have to do for all of them. How much maintenance you have to do along with break fix repairs also depends on how you ride it. Stay out of the mud holes and dont jump it and your atv will last a lot longer and require less repairs. Make sure you use low gear when your suppose to also to save your belts. Last edited on Sun Jan 14th, 2007 02:04 pm by hoopie ____________________ 2007 Yamaha Grizzly 700 Ricochette Skids 26in mudlight XTRs Yamaha front\rear bumpers cargo box Gorilla 3000 Winch 2006 650 Can-Am Outlander Max XT Works Pro G Series Shocks Ricochette Skid 25in BigHorn 3000lb gorilla winch Quad Boss storage 2005 Polaris Predator LE Twin air clam on filter with Pure Polaris exhaust Pro Armor full skid |
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I know what you're saying with riding expenses. I have already bought a new trailer just to haul it in, and that was $900, and had to put licanse plates and title it, which I just did yesterday. I'll have to title the wheeler and register it with the DNR here, plus I'm going to put full voverage insurance on it too, so just those things will add up. I may be able to swing the Cat 500, but the Po 500s are a little higher, so I doubt I'll even consider them. I really think I would be happy with the 450 Po, which I can buy a lot cheaper than anything comparable.
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One other thing you haven't mentioned is that although new that 450 once you take it out of the showroom is a year old before you even load it on the trailer. If you are dead set on the 450 which it sounds like, money is the high priority then try find a good used one with low miles you will save even more bucks. Like I say the 450's are on the showroom floor for a reason. If they can't move the new ones what kind of resale value duz a year old one brand new have? I'm sure a good used low mileage 06 500 could be found at a good price also. Good to hear about the maintenance and your dedication to it. Like I say I know nothing about CAT and their maintenance. I like CATS they are one heck of a technical machine. I'm not real interested in one for me, to few dealers around, not a real big demand for them, at least in this area. They are good looking machines with the color coordinated wheels especially. Good luck with what ever you buy.
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Shark, if you are dead set on a 450, then go ahead and go with the po, but if you are financially tight, like a lot of us, than I would really check into a good used machine that is bigger, personally, I think you may be happier with a good used 500 than a new 450. And belts are not really an issue if you use your head when working the machine and use low gear.
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Here you go sharkman! 2005 arctic cat 500cc auto brand new free shipping to indianapolis for 5799 with 2 year warranty. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NEW-2005-ARCTIC-CAT-500-AUTO-ATV-4x4-FREE-SHIP-AVAIL_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ133221QQihZ011QQitemZ320070330730QQrdZ1 If you want a used one I will sell you mine! give me an excuse to buy a bigger one! 
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So Sharkman what did you buy?
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I haven't got it yet, but I'm supposed to go pick up my 500 CAT this Saturday! I decided to go with a 500 class machine instead of a 400 CAT or 450 Popo. Comparing the 500s, the CAT and the Po are both excellent machines, and I like them both. It came down to the rack system on the CAT, simplicity of servicing it, color choices, and accessories. I like the accessories a lot better with the CAT. I want to buy the brush guard first, that thing looks awesome! I got the lime green color. The dealer had 1 '07 500 in that color left, and he's holding it for me. If everything works out, which it should, I should have my new quad this weekend, and I can't wait to get back into riding!
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Should have also said that I got the 500 AUTO, not the manual.
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Nice. I liked the rack's on them too. Nice bike
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I think I will be very happy with it. I've learned a lot about a lot of different quads while doing my research. The CAT just had the features I wanted. There are things I liked better about the Popos, and things I liked better about the Outtys, but total package I like the CAT the best. It will be interesting to go riding with my buddies because we've all got something different. One has an Outty, one has a Honda, one had a Po, one has a Kaw, and another just bought a new 700 Griz, and now I'll have a CAT. It will be neat to compare as we ride! I'll tell you what...the new 700 Griz my buddy bought looks like an awesome machine as well!
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As long as you dont mind getting whooped in the racing dept you should do well in every other aspect
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Yeah - I know I'll be the 2nd slowest guy out there, but at least I'll be able to smoke my buddies Honda! And I should be able to hang with anyone, and more than likely outperform most when it comes to the mud and technical stuff.
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