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swe-doo Member 
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Posted this one in the Bomb section but have'nt got any answers, wonder why? I would like to hear some opinions bout Out 800 and Pois 800:s 4wd. Are there any difference or are one as good as another? I've read some threads saying bombs visc lock are'nt as quick as pois system, are there any truth in that or...? Do you know if there are any earlier threads bout this subject? I'm confused about which one suits me best and would like to hear about your experiences with these 2 atv:s Last edited on Tue Jun 20th, 2006 07:35 pm by swe-doo |
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swe-doo Member
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swe-doo wrote: Posted this one in the Bomb section but have'nt got any answers, wonder why? Sorry, forgot about the time diff, maybe your sleeeeeping n dreeeaming, gotta watch some tv now, sweden just scored n fotboll (or soccer if you prefer)  Last edited on Tue Jun 20th, 2006 08:52 pm by swe-doo |
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madfabricator 
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Hi there Swe-doo, well I am not familiar with the bombs 4wd system, being as I have never rode one, but I do like the Polaris system ,for the most part anyways. You can shift it on the fly as long as all 4 tires are spinning at realitivly the same speed, and I have never had any wet or mud condition problems, I just wish the switch was not so easy to push, some times when I am ridding hard and moveing around on the machine, I'll bump it and go into 4wd.
____________________ 02 Polaris Sportsman 700 01 quadcab dodge ram When in doubt, STAND ON IT! 10 feet tall and BULLETPROOF! |
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outlandish Admin 
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swe-doo wrote: swe-doo wrote:Posted this one in the Bomb section but have'nt got any answers, wonder why? as long as your wondering, maybe it's because the bomb guys don't want to bash the POs or maybe because they have never ridden one
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Circa2000 Member 
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Indeed, I havent ridden the polaris, their weight problems are enough to steer me away, But yeah. I hear their system works good, alot of people swear by it, but alot of people swear by the bombs system too. I guess its just preference.
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Huck BB62 Member
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Polaris is a fine machine with one HUGE deficiency that I've noted here before and to me it's the only problem I've seen with them: The engine braking only works on the rear wheels. I've already ridden several times with guys with Polaris machines. This might seem like no problem unless you ride a lot of long steep stuff (like we do in the mountains) Polaris quads slide the rear tires downhill, tbe Bomb does not. This leads to a LOT more control and stability and while I'm no tree hugger, heavy Polaris machines tear the HELL out of the trail because they're all sliding down, every time. On the long steep stuff, with roots, big rocks, it's great to actually have to drive down and use the throttle on the Bombardier, the Polaris guys are all over the brakes. If you don't have long really steep stuff, there's no problem, Polaris machines are great. Oh yeah, they're kinda slow too, but they're very torquey.
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OSOKILL Admin Assist/ Enforcer 
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I noticed a problem with the popos that ride with me. we will come to the end of a fire road sometimes and it will blend into the side of the mountain. I turned downhill (rather steep) on my grizz hit the 4WD button and backed up the side of the mountain doing a 3 point turn to go back the way we had come. Grizz locked up solid and backed up no problem but the po doing it the exact same way only spun the rear tires. we had to get off go back and push it back up the hill a little for the front to lock. has anyone else seen this happen?
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madfabricator
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Im not sure that its this way on all polarises 4wd machines, but if you have to back up in 4wd you have to hold the overide button in. I discovered that the first day I had mine, I high centered in a snow bank, and the 4wd didnt seem to work in reverse unless i held the button. Kinda awkward, but it works.
____________________ 02 Polaris Sportsman 700 01 quadcab dodge ram When in doubt, STAND ON IT! 10 feet tall and BULLETPROOF! |
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From what I've seen the Pol system works just fine except for the engine braking system which drags the rear tires down steep hills. Other than that it will lock faster that the Can Am, but unless you are rock crawling there is no real difference. I might have bought one except the two seater (which I needed) is brutal compared to the Outlander and the twins sound kind of weird to. 
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swe-doo Member
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I got some mixed emotions on what to buy, like the bombs 2-seater alot. Well, time will tell.
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Huck BB62 Member
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You're not going to get hurt with either one. If you want a true locked front end, get a King Quad, great machine. You want fast, great handling and comfort AND two seats, well, there's only one: The Max XT. Polaris's are no slouch, people are riding them and loving them every single day.
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madfabricator
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One thing you might want to remember, and dont get me wrong cause I love my polaris, they are very heavy, and if you spend a day doing a lot of hard rideing were you have to throw the machine around, your gonna feel it, the next day. The weight takes some getting used to.
____________________ 02 Polaris Sportsman 700 01 quadcab dodge ram When in doubt, STAND ON IT! 10 feet tall and BULLETPROOF! |
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Mad I see you were worried about bumping the 4x4 AWD button. Just because the button is engaged don't mean you are in 4x4, I run with mine engaged all the time. If it is in 2WD then that is all that it will do, but when in AWD then if the front wheels slow down it will automaticly kick in 4x4.
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madfabricator
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OH, I guess I never realized that. Thanks Cob.
____________________ 02 Polaris Sportsman 700 01 quadcab dodge ram When in doubt, STAND ON IT! 10 feet tall and BULLETPROOF! |
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KLK Member
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I've got a Sportsman and an Outlander 800 and my personal opinion is that the Sportsman 4X4 system is far superior to the Bomb. The way my Bomb Visco works is it will engage approx 4 or 5 seconds after the back tires have been spinning and once it engages it does the third wheel first and then the fourth. By that time your usually stuck in the mud. If you back off on the gas with the Bomb then it starts the whole procedure over (4 second delay ......). It all depends on the riding you do. If its water, muskeg and mud all the time then stick to a Sportsman. If it trails and hills then nothing beats the power and sporty feel of the Bomb. Last edited on Sun Aug 6th, 2006 02:00 pm by KLK |
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Circa2000 Member
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The bomb is basically always in a 3wd mode , visco lok only applies to the one wheel with traction.
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jeffoutty800
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I have owned both and my 2005 700 efi got totaled after 300 miles I really liked the popo but I love the outty I go anywhere the polaris went and I get there faster if I want to. the polaris is just so heavy "trust me when it lands on top of you its heavy" It takes alot more effort to steer the brakes aren't nearly as good and the engine braking is terrible. The good points are the polaris ride is the best and I didn't have to put skid plates on the polaris. I felt like with the polaris I was bulletproof. I could go anywhere. I did like the locker better I think but I haven't had the outty anywhere really where I needed the 4 wheel drive. It has been awfully dry here for a long time. So time will tell on the outty visco loc. I also didn't like the turning radious of the popo. Seemed like I needed a 40 acre feild to turn around. My brother in law is a die hard polaris guy which is why I bought one in the first place and he rode it and was quite impressed with the power. His comment was If my polaris had that moter and engine breaking I would have something incredible. just my 2 cents worth
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stormy Member 
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I have watched both Polaris and brps systems work I like the outtys better because of its smoothness. On a Polaris the rear wheels must slip to engage the front ones this is bad when climbing because it will lift the front of the atv causing it to wheelie them they don't have hold back on the front going down hill. So if you want a atv that is smooth and powerfully get the outty
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madfabricator
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I have never had that problem with my sport 700.
____________________ 02 Polaris Sportsman 700 01 quadcab dodge ram When in doubt, STAND ON IT! 10 feet tall and BULLETPROOF! |
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stormy Member
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If you have never had a problem with a Polaris's engine braking them you have never been on a real hill.
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madfabricator
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Youd be suprised at the hills Ive climbed,some are as steep as the Dickeyville hill, just not as long.
____________________ 02 Polaris Sportsman 700 01 quadcab dodge ram When in doubt, STAND ON IT! 10 feet tall and BULLETPROOF! |
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stormy Member
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I have had 2 Polaris's and have had many fast rides down hills but hear in the west we have real hills.Polaris is a flatland atv built by flatlanders.
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I haven't had problems with engine braking on my 700 either and I been down some nasty mine dumps around here with it . One thing I did notice was the 800 Outlanders were clutched a little higher in low than 700 polaris I take this from riding behind Don last weekend when we went trail riding.
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sierradmax Member 
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I previously had an 03 600 sportsman. Once I went with 28" tires, the AWD system went south on me. It ended up siezing the armiture plate and shattering the plastic hillard. If you take one apart, you will notice that it is weak. All it is is a magnet which juices the armiture plate and pulls rollers out of aplastic cage to lock both front tires to the driveshaft. Very simple design but A PITA to get to to work on.
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LaMigraTx Contributing Editor 
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Having had experience with both, and I am about to purchase an 07 Sportsman here is my take between the two. EBS, hands down right now the EBS on the Outty 800 is the best on the market, the Sportsman EBS is non-existent, the Rincon has a better EBS. If you don't think the EBS is important just ride down a very steep mountain, and you will skid, slide, and fight the rear end from coming around. Been, there don't that. On the Outty 800 it will walk itself down the mountain, no BS. The EBS is poor on the Sportsman due to the fact when in AWD, the rear wheels are actually engaged, and the front wheels are free wheeling, so the EBS is only being applied to the rear wheels. On the Outlander when in 4wd all four wheels are engaged, and the EBS is applied to all four wheels, so all four wheels are holding you back, as opposed two wheels, plus the engine compression is the main factor, but its being applied to all four wheels, and not just two. HOWEVER, on the 07 Sportman deluxe models they have added a feature called ADC Active Descent Control, which will greatly increase the EBS on downhill descents, HUGE improvement, and I am anxious to try it out. Not sure if it will be on par with the Outlander 800 EBS, but I will let you know. AWD drive system on the Polaris is an auto locker. When engaged only the rear wheels are driving, the front wheels are free wheeling (basically 2wd), but when the rear wheels slip or turn 1/5 of a turn the front wheels will engage, and lock 100% (true locker), when the rear wheels are no longer slipping or turning faster than the front wheels, the front wheels will disengage, and go back to 2wd. I will say when all this goes on it is seamless, and you don't even notice it. With the AWD system, you have a sense the machine feels like it is pushing more in soft sand, going up hills, or going over logs since the front wheels aren't pulling you as a traditional 4wd system. The flip side of that is as long as you are moving foward with two rear wheels driving you, then you dont' need the front wheels pulling you, however, should you need all four wheels the system is just waiting to kick in. Bottom line you will never three wheel, and should you need all four wheels pulling you it will be there for you, but it does it automatcially you don't decide. As far as the platic 4wd cage, that was on the earlier models say 04, and back. On the current models it is no longer plastic, is my understanding. So that has been corrected. I don't like that you have too push an override button to engage the 4wd for reverse, but I will live with that. 4wd on the Outlander auto locker. When in 4wd all four wheels are pulling you are in a limited slip differential mode, when one front wheel begins to spin faster than the other the front wheel that is stopped, the stopped front wheel will gradually become locked 100%, true locker, and all this happens automatically. I will say just with the 4 wheels pulling you (without the visco lok engaging) you will get through 98% of the terrain, however, should you begin to three wheel the visco lok will kick in and pull you through. HOWEVER, on hard pack surfaces there is a 3 to 5 second delay engagement, and when it does kick in it can be herky jerky. Meaning if the left or right front wheel locks it will kick your front end too the right or left. This is no big deal in most situations, but when you are on a 55 to 60 degree rock face, or hill, and you are waiting for the visco lok to engage, the pucker factor is there. In the mud its a none issue, since the wheel speed is fast, and there isn't much resistence on the stopped wheel. Keep in mind when you are in that situation, basically three wheeling stay on the gas DO NOT let off, when you let off the visco pump reset itself, and the stop wheel will remain stopped, and you have to start the process over again. The faster the wheel spins the faster the stopped wheel will engage. Other than the system works great. Which is better you ask? I have always leaned towards the Outlander setup since all four wheels are pulling you, and not just two wheels, and 98% of the time the outlander 4wd will get you through most anything, without the visco lok. I just find having 4wd pulling provides for a better ride in loose, or difficult terrain, than having two rear wheels pushing you. However, I don't think the visco lok system is the best due to the delayed engagement, the is where I do like the Polaris system. When the Polaris AWD system engages both front tires lock at the same time, and its much faster than the visco lok, and you don't get the exterme herky jerky action, like the visco lok. It really depends on what you prefer. Personally, I don't like auto lockers, I feel the Yamaha, Suzuki, and Acrtic cats are the best. I much prefer having the control over when where I want to engage my diff lock. Also I know when its engaged, and it won't come out of engagement automactially. I love that control over the machine, it provides for a more smooth, controlled, safe, and controlled ride. In about 30 to 60 days I should have an 07 Sportsman 800EFI deluxe model, and I will have plenty of picture, videos, and will do an indepth review of the OL 800, vs SP 800. I know I have explained it, but I want pics, and vids to back up what I am saying. Overall, without a doubt the OL 800, and SP 800 are top machines, you can see that in magazine reviews, one wins one month, the other wins the other month, they just flip flop back and forth. My plan is to keep my OL 800 as my primary trail machine, and have my SP 800 as my primary mudder. But before I deck it out for the mud, I will trail ride with it extensively, say six months to a year. I am anxious to put the SP 800 through the paces, and I ll keep you guys posted.
____________________ 02 Grizzly 660 02 Rubicon 500 06 Outlander 800EFIXT 06 King Quad 700 07 Grizz 700EFI 07 SP 500EFI X2 Delx http://www.jacobsatvmagazine.com http://www.jacobsatvadventures.com 1stOutty800EFI TXOwnerJuly05 |
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LaMigra good explaination. let me clear up one thing or at least try to explain the reason for it. It is the reverse over ride, it is there as a safety factor. Since with the reverse over ride engaged you will go as fast in reverse as you will forward you need be aware of that. A couple years ago BILL BAILEY had some ppl come over from ENGLAND for a visit they are ATVers in their own country, just not used to POLARIS. Bill had borrowed a machine for them to ride, backing up the ENGLISHMAN had pressed the over ride then hammered the throttle. It took him by surprise they went into a ditch and she spent a considerable amount of time in the hospital, for some time it was touch and go. She ending up flying home with a nurse along with her. They had bought some of that TRAVEL insurance at the airport terminal and it had covered it all Yes at times the over ride is a minor inconvenance but it is there for a purpose. The EBS in the 05 and newer models has been improved considerable and I am anxious to see what the ADC will amount to. Many ppl are confused by the AWD button, all it amounts to putting the quad on stand by in case 4x4 is needed. I run with my machine with the AWD button on all the time.
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COB do the 05 and newer have all wheel EBS?
____________________ Previous BRPs: 03 Rally 200, 03 Outty 400, 05 Outty 400 XT, 06 Outty 800, 07 Renegade 800 Ridden in 6 states and 2 countries Next up? 2010 BRP Side by Side |
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LaMigraTx Contributing Editor
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Cob, that is funny about the background on the reverse override button, one moron, and we all have to pay, still wish they didn't have that, most machines don't. However, at least its not like a Kawasaki more specifically the Brute Force, when in reverse you can't engage the 4wd, you must roll forward first. I really don't like that. I can live with the Polaris override, I wish it weren't there, but oh well, something I will get used too.
____________________ 02 Grizzly 660 02 Rubicon 500 06 Outlander 800EFIXT 06 King Quad 700 07 Grizz 700EFI 07 SP 500EFI X2 Delx http://www.jacobsatvmagazine.com http://www.jacobsatvadventures.com 1stOutty800EFI TXOwnerJuly05 |
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LaMigra Not sure you know this but it isn't like you have to engage every time you use reverse. You can do I think 9 miles an hour so most times just backing off the trailer stuff like that it will be ok. If you really need power or want to engage 4x4 then you must press and hold the over ride. If you make a decision to push the button, hopefully you will also relise that you are going to go as fast backward as forward. outlandish No it is just now coming on the 07's. Talked to dealer today about a retro fit for a 06, he said that he had talked to a rep today and had talked about that. REP says cost would be waaaay to high, he was guessing around $1000. The EBS has been improved in the 05-06 models and works far better than earlier models, with a HeelClicker installed I find it works even better.
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stormy Member
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I have watched both the Polaris and can-am work and from what I have seen the outtys work much smoother. I have watched Polaris climb step banks the tend to wheelie before the front end starts to turn or locks in this makes them lighter on the front than they are. On the same bank that my Polaris wheelies on the my friends outty just goes over nice and smooth. I think the wheelie problem is because the rear wheels have to slip about 25 percent for the fronts too lock up or work. As soon as I can find a sucker the Polaris is gone and then I get a outty with real power and down braking that works. Some place their is video that shows this Polaris"s doing wheelies must on anther forum. I have a friend that has an outty max he let me ride it to day the first thing that I was in pressed with out side of the power was when claiming a step hill was how smooth it was it also had a lot less feed back on the handle bars boy was it hard to give bear back his outty and ride that popo.
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SMOKEY Are you really sure you even own a POLARIS? Sorry but sounds to me as if you are trying to blow smoke. The 4x4 only requires that the fronts turn slower than the rears and it all happens so fast that you can not see it happen so the front rearing in the air is just that hot air. The fronts would be engaged in 4x4 long before they left the ground. As you are climbing a bank the wheels are digging in and turning toward the back of the machine so they would be grabing ground and pulling the machine into the bank not away from it,doing a wheelie is really remote. Me smells a TROLL, thats ok nice try though. Last edited on Thu Aug 17th, 2006 01:46 am by COB |
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madfabricator
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That was a lot of good technical advice guys,thanks for all the explanations , all I can add to that is the fact that even when I have tried to climb really steep hills that require 4wd in 2wd, all that happened was the rears just spun and I started comeing down backwards, actually smoked a belt one time, I have never, ever wheelied going up a hill, 2 or 4wd, granted my 700 is an 02, so it might not have quite the power as some of y'alls machines, but as far as climbing hills goes, ill put it up against anything and not worry about wheelieing it. As far as going down hills, yes, it can get a little hairy at times, but a little throttle will straighten you right out. The reverse overide button, you get used to it after a while, the only time I really dont care for it is when I am plowing snow, useing the overide, the winch control and the throttle at the same time, but thats minor. I admit that I have not ridden an outty, but I am pleased as punch with my sportsman, even though it doesnt wheelie, although as soon as I can afford it , I will fix that!
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MAD I have a 02 700 also.
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stormy Member
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Who is full of it cob Have seen some pretty good smoke but you have more than a forest fire. Does Polaris pay you to make this up or what even your own video's show the Polaris's doing the wheelies climbing you can see the Polaris pause before the front end jerks in and lifts the front end causing a wheelie. Bears outty max would climb most of those rocks with out lifting the front end. Your wright about one thing I just loaded my Polaris on some one Else truck because I sold it. I will get a outty when the 800s come in. If you want to see the popos doing wheelies look over on frontier atv under Polaris Their called Rock'n Video.
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SMOKY Glad hear your jumping ship, well if you really had a ship in the first place. 
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madfabricator
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EASY NOW FOLKS, NO NEED TO GET THE FUR FLYIN, EVERYBODYS ENTITLED TO THEIR OWN OPINION.
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