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mister Member 
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I wonder how a piped Renegade 800 would do against your Thundercat. I bet it would be pretty darn close. If you get a chance to race the 2 let us know!
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This is a pure semi educated guess, but I am expecting mid to low 50s for HP stock at the wheel on the dyno I use. I am in hopes that piped, I can get mid to upper 50s out of it. The stock tires are a 4speed 25", Todays Update: I ran the T-cat up to Dan's cycle and turns out the electrical glitch that was causing all the problems was a loose battery terminal. I had a feeling it was. I had that same thing happen to an Outy a couple years ago. I think I was the first person to run into that deal on the Outy as well, guess I am just lucky that way. LOL Dan did think the chirp/clunk noise from the CVT was maybe a little on the excessive side, exspecialy since it was doing it neutral, as well as in drive. He tried to get ahold of someone at AC today to find out about the noise, but looks like it will be wednesday before we get a definative answer as to rather the sound is normal or not. He is also trading out those 4speed tires for me for a set of 26" Goodyear Raw Hides, the same ones like, were seen on it in the brochure and DVD. We did look at the seats, they are not interchangable. they have a different structure underneith, and the others won't fit the T-cat, we tried. Last edited on Tue Jan 1st, 2008 03:57 am by cc1999 ____________________ Current Quads: 2009 Outlander Black 800R XT 2009 Sportsman 850 XP EPS Stealth Black "Ordered" Due in NOV/DEC 2008 Polaris Sportsman 800 X2 LE Stealth Black, Bumpers, handguards, 26" Bighorns, on Black OEM cast alum rims, side bags, and one big ole ice chest. 2006 Outlander 840 RED, Woods pipe, Cowtown Clutch work, Diamond G/Chapman heads/ Diamond G Cams / Power Commander III, Renegade seperate brakes, XT hand guards, 26" Bighorn Radials on Black type 7 rims. Recent Past Quads: 2008 ThunderCat 1000,2006 Diamond G Outy 800,2008 Honda White Rincon 680 EFI,2008 Polaris 800 RZR,2007 Can-am Renegade 800,2006 Outlander 800 XT , 2006 Outlander MAX 800,2005 Polaris 800 Sportsman |
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fmj40 Behave or you'll be MODulated! 
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CC, this is kinda  ...you mentioned earlier that you thought the best handling utility was the prairie and I got to wondering what about that particular quad made it handle better than the outty or any of the others for that matter.. Was it a bit lighter than the outty, lower CG, sway bar installed on the front and back. Just curious... thanks for the TC updates. ITs good to know we have somebody who will provide accurate info on this subject, then again, we wouldn't expect anything less! Personally the real kicker with this quad to me, is how it will handle. For the most part putting a bigger engine in something should always end up being a stronger faster quad, but its the handling that will make or break it. If the thing handles like a tank, what good is all the power? But so far it sounds like this beast won't be too bad to tame..
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toolboy Member
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I thought the tire weight difference between the quads on the grass would really make a big difference and apparently it did. When both were on sand with the same tires it was the weight of the rider that made the difference. If CC already had the exhaust cover removed to improve flow when they dragged in the sand it doesn't sound like the t-cat has much more go than the can-am. I love the handling of my renegade and I have yet to get beat by a non-nitrous outlander. Don't get me wrong I know they are out there and can beat me, but without piston, cam, intake mods the outys are a couple of quads slower, usually. I run the lte slip on the renegade and would love to see how it would fare against the t-cat. I run the same sandblaster tires. Too bad I'm not going to oklahoma anytime soon. I will be in genoa in June but that's along time away. I was hoping the t-cat would really blow the outy away so can-am would have to step up with something even bigger. You can bet if can-am built an outy or renegade with a 950 it would blow away the current 800's. Hope to hear more from cc1999 on his comparisons.
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THe praire was a strait axle uttilty quad and it handled very much like a sport quad. You could slide the rear end around with ease at any speed and almost no body roll because of the strait axle.
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Goodsound 
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toolboy wrote: I thought the tire weight difference between the quads on the grass would really make a big difference and apparently it did. When both were on sand with the same tires it was the weight of the rider that made the difference. If CC already had the exhaust cover removed to improve flow when they dragged in the sand it doesn't sound like the t-cat has much more go than the can-am. I love the handling of my renegade and I have yet to get beat by a non-nitrous outlander. Don't get me wrong I know they are out there and can beat me, but without piston, cam, intake mods the outys are a couple of quads slower, usually. I run the lte slip on the renegade and would love to see how it would fare against the t-cat. I run the same sandblaster tires. Too bad I'm not going to oklahoma anytime soon. I will be in genoa in June but that's along time away. I was hoping the t-cat would really blow the outy away so can-am would have to step up with something even bigger. You can bet if can-am built an outy or renegade with a 950 it would blow away the current 800's. Hope to hear more from cc1999 on his comparisons. Wow, it sounds like your a full flegged drag racer now, and you have it all figured out. Good job! Taking the exhaust cover off isnt going to give near the gain a full Ron Wood Stage 1 kit will. But Im sure you knew that. How ironic, Im the fastest in my mind too.  Last edited on Tue Jan 1st, 2008 08:09 pm by Goodsound ____________________ I just ralphed... |
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Yeah the renegades will beat the outlanders everytime, I drive an outty but I know that driver for driver the gade will have 2 or 3 lengths on the outtys, should be very interesting to see the t cat run a gade......
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Hey, I'm nowhere near the fastest. I've been beat before and am happy to get beat. Im a big guy and my little brother is way faster than me on any quad. My renegade is stock other than the pipe and tires I run. The stock tires on the renegade are not the quickest tires for that particular machine. I just hoped that the t-cat would have been night/day difference, perhaps it isn't. I was looking at purchasing a t-cat to have besides the renegade but I haven't gotten sold on its merits just yet. I don't doubt Goodsound has a quad in his stable that will kick my ass. Heck, almost any rider on a piped renegade could take me due to my weight. 250 lbs. I have no ego to bruise or be stroked, I'm sorry you felt I was boasting, I wasn't. Waiting for more reviews of the t-cat.
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I was just kidding anyway, wasnt trying to offend. 
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Toolboy, I remember a piped Outy that beat you and the NOS wasn't on!! 
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The DUKE wrote: Yeah the renegades will beat the outlanders everytime, I drive an outty but I know that driver for driver the gade will have 2 or 3 lengths on the outtys, should be very interesting to see the t cat run a gade...... Every time huh? I think I would have to respectfully disagree with that.
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MtnOuty Deputy Fyfe...In for Life 
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THEBOM wrote: Toolboy, I remember a piped Outy that beat you and the NOS wasn't on!!  Can't get away with a dang thing these days!
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dont feel bad toolboy mrs the bomb has spanked many of us outy boy's on her little yellow rocket sled ! she beet me pre NOS to !!!!!!!!!!
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Ok , on the off topic of the Prarries, they were SRA machines, Solid rear axles with struts up front and had a very low CG, . the Outy handels best of all the IRS (independent rear axle) machines IMO. Of all the large bore class (650 and up) the prarries were the King in the tight woods. I imagine thats why they still do so well on the race circut . Mike Penland was made famouse on prarries with countless wins in cross country racing. As to the TC and Outy in the Grass, both had cast wheels so the difference was in the tires only, 25" horns are not near as bad as some other tires on the market when it comes to weigh, there was an advantage there but not as much as you would think, the Outy was piped and dyno proven to have 5 more hp then stock at the wheels, so I think had it been a true stock vs stock race the TC would have taken it by even more yet. Since I use to have a Gade and did a very similar test about this same time last year at the same place no less, the Gade was getting beat by both piped outy's that we had on hand at the time, about like the bone stock TC was beating the piped Outy this time . The Outy and Gades proved out on the dyno in stock form to be about the same, so were only talking about a weight bias with that comparison and the 5 or so extra pony's the Outys had over the gade. In the sand we raced many a race and with as like tires as possible. The Outy had the tire advange though, the only fronts that I had there to run in the TC's bolt pattern were the cast rimmed stock fronts, which I would guess would have weighed in the mid 20s per, the Outy fronts were really Oem Prarrie fronts, that weigh in at 19#s per. The rears were identical about 16#s per . Now the pulling the cap on the TC happend really late in the day something like 3 races prior to the TC quiting on me do to the loose battery cable deal. Only one maybe two decent races were had prior to the battery problem. The cap pulled out did seem to really help though, the TC walked away from the the entire time in those couple races. Where with the cap in the Outy would launch a little ahead, but the cat would pull on it from 30-45 but 45 up they stayed pretty even with the TC maybe working ahead but only by a few inche. One thing to keep in mind that in sand conditions weight is even a bigger issue than on grass. The TC was hauling my big 290 pound butt on it back were the Outy was hauling my buddy that weighs more in the 190-210 range at best. Combine that with the fact the TC weighs 50 -60 pounds , more than the Outy we were using and the front wheels and tires were a good 5 pounds per more than the Outys. When we switched machines it was not even a challenge for the TC to blow me away, when I was on the Outy. I think the cat more than proved to me that Once piped and with a light weigh jockey on it, anything short of Nos the Renegades and Outys alike will get beat. Now say you are a 190 pound guy on a pied gade racing me at 290 on the TC, I think there is a good chance it would be a heck off a race and probably a good chance I might loose that race. because now we would not only be looking at a 100+ pound bike weight bias, but also another 100 pound rider weight bias for a total of 200 pounds that the 150cc diplacement bias the TC has would have to cover, if that makes any sense. I hope that helps clear up some of the race questions a little better. I will know more in the next few weeks once we get it on the dyno, and get the pipe on it, I should be able to tell more with actual power data.
____________________ Current Quads: 2009 Outlander Black 800R XT 2009 Sportsman 850 XP EPS Stealth Black "Ordered" Due in NOV/DEC 2008 Polaris Sportsman 800 X2 LE Stealth Black, Bumpers, handguards, 26" Bighorns, on Black OEM cast alum rims, side bags, and one big ole ice chest. 2006 Outlander 840 RED, Woods pipe, Cowtown Clutch work, Diamond G/Chapman heads/ Diamond G Cams / Power Commander III, Renegade seperate brakes, XT hand guards, 26" Bighorn Radials on Black type 7 rims. Recent Past Quads: 2008 ThunderCat 1000,2006 Diamond G Outy 800,2008 Honda White Rincon 680 EFI,2008 Polaris 800 RZR,2007 Can-am Renegade 800,2006 Outlander 800 XT , 2006 Outlander MAX 800,2005 Polaris 800 Sportsman |
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man a lot of posting happend while I was typing all that. LOL
____________________ Current Quads: 2009 Outlander Black 800R XT 2009 Sportsman 850 XP EPS Stealth Black "Ordered" Due in NOV/DEC 2008 Polaris Sportsman 800 X2 LE Stealth Black, Bumpers, handguards, 26" Bighorns, on Black OEM cast alum rims, side bags, and one big ole ice chest. 2006 Outlander 840 RED, Woods pipe, Cowtown Clutch work, Diamond G/Chapman heads/ Diamond G Cams / Power Commander III, Renegade seperate brakes, XT hand guards, 26" Bighorn Radials on Black type 7 rims. Recent Past Quads: 2008 ThunderCat 1000,2006 Diamond G Outy 800,2008 Honda White Rincon 680 EFI,2008 Polaris 800 RZR,2007 Can-am Renegade 800,2006 Outlander 800 XT , 2006 Outlander MAX 800,2005 Polaris 800 Sportsman |
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toolboy Member
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I said I've been beat. In the soft dry blowsand at genoa my weight makes alot of difference. On ground, grass, dirt, pavement is whole nother story. Weight there still makes a difference but not nearly as much. Yeah she beat me but I outweigh her by 125 lbs, and that outy had a little more to it than a full ron woods pipe didn't it. I told you I have no ego, I'm laughing as I'm writing this, you can't get me upset. Anybody else get their t-cat yet, otherwise these guys are just going to take shots at the big guy on the renegade. On a sidenote, are there any scheduled rides in Nebraska in the next couple of months? How much snow do you have?
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toolboy Member
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CC1999 how is the handling on the t-cat compared to the outy. My reservations are centered alot around the handling. In our woods racing here the arctic cats are about the worst handling of any of the machines and have been on their sides countless times. This is multiplied by the fact that the arctic cats are wider and don't sit down in the 12 in deep trail grooves made by the other quads so when we come to a tight corner, over they go. Does the t-cat feel like it would stay with the outy in the woods? I can only imagine all the guff I would get if I can't run like I do with my renegade or worse if I dumped a t-cat on its side or rolled it. I don't have much of an ego but that would bruise the hell out what little I have after shelling out $10 G's for one.
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I sure would not buy one to woods race with it, Drag race is one thing but the TTi rear suspension can-am uses is hard to beat with anything otrher than mabe a solid axle machine. The TC does handel better than any Cat I have test road int he past, but I still would not try throughing this thing around in the woods to much, at least not without some better tires and a few suspension mods. My dealer is researching the spring rates and shock hights on some of the other AC models, to see if we can't drop this beast down a bit and smooth out the ride some. Here is what my dealer and I are shooting for. I want about a 2 inch drop in ride hide with the softest springs he can come up with, then we are going to add the factory optional swaybar to it, pluss maybe beef up the padding in the seat. Pretty much trying to get it to ride and handel like my Outy is the goal here. He is already fixing me up with the raw hide tires on a trade out deal. That alone should stop the tire roll over issues. I was not bashing on you at all, I was just trying to clear up some of my earlier review. I thought maybe you had got a little bit of an off target impression from my earlier review post. PS. I missed all those other post earlier, I guess I just failed to scroll all the way down, I thought all those post poped up while I was typing, I noticed the time stamps, and I guess I missed everthing below your 11:44 am post today. Thats what may have made my last post seem a little out of context. Sorry about the mixup. Last edited on Wed Jan 2nd, 2008 03:32 am by cc1999 ____________________ Current Quads: 2009 Outlander Black 800R XT 2009 Sportsman 850 XP EPS Stealth Black "Ordered" Due in NOV/DEC 2008 Polaris Sportsman 800 X2 LE Stealth Black, Bumpers, handguards, 26" Bighorns, on Black OEM cast alum rims, side bags, and one big ole ice chest. 2006 Outlander 840 RED, Woods pipe, Cowtown Clutch work, Diamond G/Chapman heads/ Diamond G Cams / Power Commander III, Renegade seperate brakes, XT hand guards, 26" Bighorn Radials on Black type 7 rims. Recent Past Quads: 2008 ThunderCat 1000,2006 Diamond G Outy 800,2008 Honda White Rincon 680 EFI,2008 Polaris 800 RZR,2007 Can-am Renegade 800,2006 Outlander 800 XT , 2006 Outlander MAX 800,2005 Polaris 800 Sportsman |
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Sorry but toolboy wrote that outy had a little more to it than a full ron woods pipe didn't it.Pipe ,intake filter , efi controler and bottle. The bottle was not on when she races you. I'm sure she would race you in other places beside soft sand. But what does it matter when it's from some one that don't know when to let off and puts his bike in the river. Mandy and Mike was only 2 last time in NE she needed the NOS for. Mike was spraying ,Mandy was not. I guess it like they say, if it's on the bike they think you are using it??? Sorry CC, didn't mean to interrupt your reveiw. Last edited on Wed Jan 2nd, 2008 04:15 am by THEBOM ____________________ THEBOM |
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No problem here, I am just trying to remember if I was at that event. LOL
____________________ Current Quads: 2009 Outlander Black 800R XT 2009 Sportsman 850 XP EPS Stealth Black "Ordered" Due in NOV/DEC 2008 Polaris Sportsman 800 X2 LE Stealth Black, Bumpers, handguards, 26" Bighorns, on Black OEM cast alum rims, side bags, and one big ole ice chest. 2006 Outlander 840 RED, Woods pipe, Cowtown Clutch work, Diamond G/Chapman heads/ Diamond G Cams / Power Commander III, Renegade seperate brakes, XT hand guards, 26" Bighorn Radials on Black type 7 rims. Recent Past Quads: 2008 ThunderCat 1000,2006 Diamond G Outy 800,2008 Honda White Rincon 680 EFI,2008 Polaris 800 RZR,2007 Can-am Renegade 800,2006 Outlander 800 XT , 2006 Outlander MAX 800,2005 Polaris 800 Sportsman |
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