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RaiderMike67 Member 
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i wish i could sell mine because it wasnt worth what i paid for it thats a fact. >>>>>>>> Might be your opinion but mine has been rock solid and trouble free since the day I got it home.....ok, take that back, my battery strap broke! Rolled it down a ravine and only damage was to my groin and some scratches in the plastic. I couldn't be more happy, not sure there is another ATV I'd rather have. Sorry your experience hasn't been the same. Maybe it's your riding style?
____________________ 06 Outlander 800, 25" Kenda Bounty Hunters front, 25" Duro Power Grips rear, HMF Penland Exhaust,HPG front shocks, billet shifter, racks removed, XT handguards, plastic skids, 06 Dodge Ram "Bighorn" Crystal Red, 17" Wildcats, Ram Chrome wheels, Line-X, 06 Saturn ION |
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2fast4uRuss
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Mass opps I mean Canned Ham reborn.. the Outlander is still by far the best machine in all the catagories it is in 500,650 and 800. It has had a longer run at the top then most other quads ever in the big bore category in recent years. All cat did was put out the biggest CC's on the market. If they really wanted to prove superiority they would have built an 800cc quad that is better then the outlander...power handling..and quality. I know Can Ams have the ocasional issue but they are no where near what I have heard on Arctic Cat machines. Check dirt wheels on the Prowler where they actually mention they question its durability in one review because pieces started falling off and I am sure I don't have to mention all the issues with the 650's can anyone say head gaskets among many of the differential problems or driveshaft problems. Lets see if Cat can stay on top for two years like the Can Am before we start bragging. a 2007 Can am Outlander 800 Xt Camo with 510 miles for $7200 in Canada and hasn't sold yet......kinda unbeliveable.....that thing would sell in a day in my area
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07ICanAm Member 
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$7200, for an 07, that quad would not last half an hour in Alberta, guys are asking 7-8 thousand for 2005-2006 Grizzlys. I'd give you $8000 if you met me half way, I know I could get at least $9500-$10000 fot it in Alberta.
____________________ 2007 Outlander 800XT 28" Mud Bugs on Motosport Alloy Climax wheels HMF Utility Pipe K&N Air filter Dobeck TFI Symtec Hand warmers 60" Moose County Plow Warn XT 3000 winch 2003 Grizzly 660 27" Mud Bugs |
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cc1999 Mod 
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OK, I got a couple good hours of seat time on the Cat today. The motor was starting to loosen up after a few high speed passes. My buddy that has my old XT outy, was with me, so we did get to do some drag racing, The Cat was the victor in every race. Not my a huge margin, but the question has been answered to my satisfaction, the cat if faster, faster in fact than even a piped Outy. The Outy was an XT with out bumpers, still has the winch on it. It was running 25" bighorns on cast Type 7 rims. So there was some power bias in the tire department. But I out way my Buddy by probably 80+ pounds, so I figure that balanced things out. We swapped machine a couple times and when I was on the Outy the Cat got me by much, much wider margins. The T-cat was showroom stock with maybe 2 miles on it when we started, later in the day after the Cat started to loosen up I was back on the cat and margin of victory was getting bigger. The races pretty much went like this, The Outy can hold its own and in many cases get the whole shot, but by 35-40 mph the Cat would pretty much run it down and pass the outy every time. By 60 mph the cat was always multiple lengths ahead. Both machines wanted to stand up right off the line, it took a lot of practice to get back in the swing of launching these beast on grass without standing them up. The first race we both had them reaching for sky, and my buddy was thankful for the Outys well made grab bar. LOL The Outy is geared lower and it shows, plus an inch or shorter wheelbase made the Outy much harder to launch than he cat, but when ever we hit the Outy just right, it would take the higher geared cat off the line for 100-200 foot or so before the cat could catch it. We had a lot of fun racing today on grass, tomorrow we are taking them to the dunes for yet another round. I plan to take my std outy with the woods pipe and set it and the cat up with pretty much identical sand tires for as fair a comparison as possible. All in all the stock T-cat did surprise me, I figured that with my big butt on the cat, that the piped outy would likely take me. At first if I got a bad start, the outy would take me for a ways but after that I was always able to catch it. If we both got good start the they ran even up to about 30-35 mph and then the cat would pull away. So far I think the Outy to me still seems to be the better built machine, as far as quality and overall the Outy is a little more comfortable, but the cat does seem to be delivering on its promise of top dog power. The Cat is not bad in terms of comfort, but the outy is a very well rounded machine, and rides so smooth and its just hard to top some of the outy's other features. For many people the Cat will be the machine of choice, if power and ground clearance are key features to them, the Cat will be there dream machine. I however, like the cat, but I think my Outy is still going to be my favorite machine to ride. Racing, thats a different story, give me the one with the most power, today the cat proved to me that it is the most powerful ATV money can buy off the showroom floor. After a few mods its just going to get that much stronger. Last edited on Sun Dec 30th, 2007 05:39 am by cc1999 ____________________ Current Quads: 2009 Outlander Black 800R XT 2009 Sportsman 850 XP EPS Stealth Black "Ordered" Due in NOV/DEC 2008 Polaris Sportsman 800 X2 LE Stealth Black, Bumpers, handguards, 26" Bighorns, on Black OEM cast alum rims, side bags, and one big ole ice chest. 2006 Outlander 840 RED, Woods pipe, Cowtown Clutch work, Diamond G/Chapman heads/ Diamond G Cams / Power Commander III, Renegade seperate brakes, XT hand guards, 26" Bighorn Radials on Black type 7 rims. Recent Past Quads: 2008 ThunderCat 1000,2006 Diamond G Outy 800,2008 Honda White Rincon 680 EFI,2008 Polaris 800 RZR,2007 Can-am Renegade 800,2006 Outlander 800 XT , 2006 Outlander MAX 800,2005 Polaris 800 Sportsman |
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BrianE Member 
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Awesome now its time for can-am to step up and give us a true 1000cc machine. thanks for the reviews 
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QUADAHOLIC "BLUE CREW" 
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Nice report cc1999, Thank you very much for what I read as an unbiased review.  (where's the Honda in that mix?) 
____________________ 07-650 Outy Max XT Ricochete ~ Crutchfield 2+1 PRP Stabilizer ~ 25" Bighorn's Kewltek brakes ~ Alumatech Guards Fasst bars ~ Rox risers ~ TC Duel Gasser plus a whole lot of little extra "custom touches" This site is worth a million Please Donate!! |
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cc1999 Mod
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QUADZILLA wrote: Nice report cc1999, LOL, We did have it out for a little while yester day. 1st thing I learned is the Japs don't seem to need to tie there machines down when they trailer them, I guess they just trust they won't fly off the trailer. LOL, NO TIE DOWN POINTS on the front at all. The cat has the best built in tie down points of the 3 different machines. The Honda is really, really slow. I am sure part of that assesment is becasue we got it out last, after racing the Outy and Cat for couple hours straight. LOL I imagine that its not going to be problem, but I am almost scared to put the 26" Horns and type 7's, that I have for honda on it. The poor thing has trouble getting out of its own way with the paper thin super light OEM dunlappers that were still on it for yesterdays brief break in ride. It was loosening up there toward the end of the ride, I think it will be ok for what I want to do with it. Here are a few bulit points or first impressions of the new Rincon. Power - not on par with other class 600-700 machines Fit and finsh - Top notch Handeling - decent but the cheap light weight tires were wanting to roll over bad in hard turns. Comfort - very plush, Not quit Outy plush, but close, seat is pretty decent, the ergos are all good, the bike is light so it feels small and nimble. I think it wins in the looks department, I think its the best looking of all my machines. Quick first impressions rundown: Good skid protection, seperate dual brake levers are a plus, soft suspension,nice guages, big soft seat, crap tires, no grease certs, no tie downs, 400-500 class power from a 700 class machine, great fit and finish, and great looks.
____________________ Current Quads: 2009 Outlander Black 800R XT 2009 Sportsman 850 XP EPS Stealth Black "Ordered" Due in NOV/DEC 2008 Polaris Sportsman 800 X2 LE Stealth Black, Bumpers, handguards, 26" Bighorns, on Black OEM cast alum rims, side bags, and one big ole ice chest. 2006 Outlander 840 RED, Woods pipe, Cowtown Clutch work, Diamond G/Chapman heads/ Diamond G Cams / Power Commander III, Renegade seperate brakes, XT hand guards, 26" Bighorn Radials on Black type 7 rims. Recent Past Quads: 2008 ThunderCat 1000,2006 Diamond G Outy 800,2008 Honda White Rincon 680 EFI,2008 Polaris 800 RZR,2007 Can-am Renegade 800,2006 Outlander 800 XT , 2006 Outlander MAX 800,2005 Polaris 800 Sportsman |
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QUADAHOLIC "BLUE CREW"
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Seems you got most of the bases covered with your 3 quads. White eh? don't take a nature break while riding out in the snow
____________________ 07-650 Outy Max XT Ricochete ~ Crutchfield 2+1 PRP Stabilizer ~ 25" Bighorn's Kewltek brakes ~ Alumatech Guards Fasst bars ~ Rox risers ~ TC Duel Gasser plus a whole lot of little extra "custom touches" This site is worth a million Please Donate!! |
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cc1999 Mod
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Speaking of riding were heading to the dunes today to try them out in the sand. I will be back on tonight with another update on how they did.
____________________ Current Quads: 2009 Outlander Black 800R XT 2009 Sportsman 850 XP EPS Stealth Black "Ordered" Due in NOV/DEC 2008 Polaris Sportsman 800 X2 LE Stealth Black, Bumpers, handguards, 26" Bighorns, on Black OEM cast alum rims, side bags, and one big ole ice chest. 2006 Outlander 840 RED, Woods pipe, Cowtown Clutch work, Diamond G/Chapman heads/ Diamond G Cams / Power Commander III, Renegade seperate brakes, XT hand guards, 26" Bighorn Radials on Black type 7 rims. Recent Past Quads: 2008 ThunderCat 1000,2006 Diamond G Outy 800,2008 Honda White Rincon 680 EFI,2008 Polaris 800 RZR,2007 Can-am Renegade 800,2006 Outlander 800 XT , 2006 Outlander MAX 800,2005 Polaris 800 Sportsman |
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fmj40 Behave or you'll be MODulated! 
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CC, thanks for taking the time to give us some first hand feedback. Sounds like it'll be a great rig for what it was made for. I got to thinking about it last night and seems to me that the outty will end up being a better multi-purpose machine where the TC will be just as you said, a powerhouse thats fast and has superior GC. Thing is, I don't know if I would want too much GC, a lot of GC makes for a tall bike, and a tall bike doesn't handle like I want. Right now my rig is as fast as a sport quad, handles on par with a sport quad, or at least as much as a utility quad can, and still can do 4x4 type things. To me the power issue is a non factor, its how the suspension! If AC could make this quad handle like the outtys, with the higher GC and larger engine.. then I would be interested. With that said.. do you see this being a possibility? Not saying I am going to buy one, cause I won't.. Just curious.
____________________ Be warned, I have the Illudium Pu-36 Explosive Space Modulator, and I am not afraid to use it! 08' Can-am Renegade 500 Yellow 07' Can-am Outlander 800XT Warn plow, winch and push tubes Ricochet Skids, AC Grip Warmers, BRP windshield Crutchfield Stage 2's up front, 1's in the rear PRP Steering Stabilizer 26" Outlaw MST's, ITP SS108's |
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RaiderMike67 Member
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Awsome report CC. When I was a kid back in Minnesota seems I remember A/C produced the fastest sleds at the time (El Tigre 1000??) Funny FMJ mentions ground clearance because I tend to agree with him 100% on this point. I intentionally went with 25" tires hoping to lower my center of gravity so I could have better handling. The Bounty Hunters actually sit even a bit lower then most 25" by design and I can tell a world of difference with those compared to the stockers or the Bighorn knock off's I have. I also feel like I can ride my Outlander like a sport quad just takes a little more muscle!! I had a Rincon 650 and most of what you said is right on, kind of gutless but fit and finish were very nice with a very plush ride. I think its the transmission design thats holding this quad back?? I didn't care much for the car type automatic "shifting" gears on the tranny but at least they gave you the 3 speed option although that seems like something extra to go wrong as well. Anyone reading this thread should appreciate the feedback of a guy like CC, he is straight to the point and will tell it like he SEES it and based on all the machines he's owned I'm not sure there is a better informed person on these forums. If he says the new TC like a fat pig in tight trails, well you can pretty much count on that being pretty accurate. No doubt though the mudders and rock crawlers will probably love the hell out of this machine.
____________________ 06 Outlander 800, 25" Kenda Bounty Hunters front, 25" Duro Power Grips rear, HMF Penland Exhaust,HPG front shocks, billet shifter, racks removed, XT handguards, plastic skids, 06 Dodge Ram "Bighorn" Crystal Red, 17" Wildcats, Ram Chrome wheels, Line-X, 06 Saturn ION |
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hoopie Member
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So what is the handling like on the tcat? does it roll alot in turns, how are the breaks? Does it nose dive on the brakes? Thanks for the unbiased reports!
____________________ 2007 Yamaha Grizzly 700 Ricochette Skids 26in mudlight XTRs Yamaha front\rear bumpers cargo box Gorilla 3000 Winch 2006 650 Can-Am Outlander Max XT Works Pro G Series Shocks Ricochette Skid 25in BigHorn 3000lb gorilla winch Quad Boss storage 2005 Polaris Predator LE Twin air clam on filter with Pure Polaris exhaust Pro Armor full skid |
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roaddog Member 
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BrianE wrote: Awesome now its time for can-am to step up and give us a true 1000cc machine. I secound what BrianE said!!!!!! Give me a 1000cc can am outty.
____________________ 2006 Viper Red 800 H.O. V-Twin EFI XT #206 Team Outty 800 Member #12 Build Date 09-2005 50" Moose County Plow & Fender Extentions BRP Heated Grips & Thumb Throttle Vip-air Windshield w/ 20 1/4" shield Silverstar Ultra & ext. 55 Watt Xenon Lights Ricochet Skid Plate,Front A-arms 27" Mudlite XTR's on SS 108 rims 4-Crutchfield stage 2 shocks |
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cannedham800 Member 
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2fast4uRuss wrote: Mass opps I mean Canned Ham reborn.. the Outlander is still by far the best machine in all the catagories it is in 500,650 and 800. It has had a longer run at the top then most other quads ever in the big bore category in recent years. All cat did was put out the biggest CC's on the market. If they really wanted to prove superiority they would have built an 800cc quad that is better then the outlander...power handling..and quality. I know Can Ams have the ocasional issue but they are no where near what I have heard on Arctic Cat machines. Check dirt wheels on the Prowler where they actually mention they question its durability in one review because pieces started falling off and I am sure I don't have to mention all the issues with the 650's can anyone say head gaskets among many of the differential problems or driveshaft problems. Lets see if Cat can stay on top for two years like the Can Am before we start bragging. in your mind it is, on a second note im not here to argue so run along. Last edited on Sun Dec 30th, 2007 07:18 pm by cannedham800 ____________________ 07 cannedham 800xt camo 4sale 510miles $7200.00 08 thundercat 1000 coming soon. |
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cannedham800 Member
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07ICanAm wrote: $7200, for an 07, that quad would not last half an hour in Alberta, guys are asking 7-8 thousand for 2005-2006 Grizzlys. I'd give you $8000 if you met me half way, I know I could get at least $9500-$10000 fot it in Alberta. im taking a beating on this machine trust me, but its been nothing but headaches. if you like i can get a quote on shipping if you like i just need your zip.
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2fast4uRuss
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cannedham800 wrote: 2fast4uRuss wrote:Mass opps I mean Canned Ham reborn.. the Outlander is still by far the best machine in all the catagories it is in 500,650 and 800. It has had a longer run at the top then most other quads ever in the big bore category in recent years. All cat did was put out the biggest CC's on the market. If they really wanted to prove superiority they would have built an 800cc quad that is better then the outlander...power handling..and quality. I know Can Ams have the ocasional issue but they are no where near what I have heard on Arctic Cat machines. Check dirt wheels on the Prowler where they actually mention they question its durability in one review because pieces started falling off and I am sure I don't have to mention all the issues with the 650's can anyone say head gaskets among many of the differential problems or driveshaft problems. Lets see if Cat can stay on top for two years like the Can Am before we start bragging. take some pics of that quad with the speedo showing the mileage and a current paper and I will believe this is not Massmudder..no one here likes anyone blowing smoke up our a$$es by the way in Canada it is your postal code not your zip code... Last edited on Sun Dec 30th, 2007 10:53 pm by 2fast4uRuss |
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maxdun 
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Thanks for the report cc, I'll be watching for the sand report. The Thundercat sounds like fun.
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lothario
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Well, it sounds like all eyes are going to be on the Cat for a while, which takes the Outty out of the lime light. Let the adventure begin. I'm anxious to see what kind of tweaking and tinkering can be done to bring the beast out of these things. eeeehaaa! 
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OSOKILL Admin Assist/ Enforcer 
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the "adventure" can be a real positive for AWF if handled correctly. I would really like to see the AC forum build up to be another powerhouse like the CanAm forum is. how cool would that be eh
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MtnOuty Deputy Fyfe...In for Life 
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That would be very cool! cc1999, thanks for your honest reports. I believe the guys that didn't have to buy dobecks for their pipes have you to thank, saved quite a few bucks for the guys. (You might not be number 1 on Dobeck's hit parade though.  )
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