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cc1999 Mod 
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Back to the original topic, Here is a little info I looked up and posted on Highlifter today for mudmanmatt about comparing the 650i vs the v2, thats why I am wanting to hold off till the real numbers are released on the t-cat before dubbing it the king, as soon as mine comes in so I can do some testing, and through some owner perspective on the actual production models.
Last edited on Fri Aug 3rd, 2007 12:12 am by cc1999 ____________________ Current Quads: 2009 Outlander Black 800R XT 2009 Sportsman 850 XP EPS Stealth Black "Ordered" Due in NOV/DEC 2008 Polaris Sportsman 800 X2 LE Stealth Black, Bumpers, handguards, 26" Bighorns, on Black OEM cast alum rims, side bags, and one big ole ice chest. 2006 Outlander 840 RED, Woods pipe, Cowtown Clutch work, Diamond G/Chapman heads/ Diamond G Cams / Power Commander III, Renegade seperate brakes, XT hand guards, 26" Bighorn Radials on Black type 7 rims. Recent Past Quads: 2008 ThunderCat 1000,2006 Diamond G Outy 800,2008 Honda White Rincon 680 EFI,2008 Polaris 800 RZR,2007 Can-am Renegade 800,2006 Outlander 800 XT , 2006 Outlander MAX 800,2005 Polaris 800 Sportsman |
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massmudder Member 
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Circa2000 wrote: Look at the polaris 800, the 650 outty can beat it. So whats to say a 800 outty cant beat a 950 cat? no chance, thats what you call wishfull thinking
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massmudder Member
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hoopie wrote: It looks like they took a huge engine and stuffed inside the same cat framesuspension. exaclty what I was hopeing they wouldnt do. They can keep it! I cant imagine how dificult its going to turn when on the gas. They give you the power to turn 30's stock but put 25in tires on it? of course they will deny your warranty claim when you do. here we go again, he said she said they said. fact is cat built a new frame, in fact its re desighned from the ground up just to give you some intel. r-d work has been 4-1/2 years on the t cat. what kills me is all the outty guys are bashing the new cat out of fear that there 800s might just be beat, well guys its time to realize there is a new cat in town and the outtys are just old news. you see ive got family that has been working for cat for over 20yrs and its great to know facts right from the horses mouth, fortunatly i cant tell others what i know. but i can correct them with facts.
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massmudder wrote: but i can correct them with facts. The 950 cat will have 50 HP, I know that is not right so now correct me
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OSOKILL Admin Assist/ Enforcer 
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I say lets just wait and see. if cat finally gets one right wooohooo they have been a workhorse for a lot of years it would be good for them. and if not, oh well back to the R&D. least they're aimed in the right direction eh. the actual bottom line is time will tell all 
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hoopie Member
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Massmudder, I stated that before any details were released on the design phase. It appears Cat did there homework on new ATV's. I think this new frame and "sit in seat" design is going to help the handling alot. Im a cat fan also and dont care who is faster because it will be short lived anyways. I cant wait to test drive one.
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fmj40 Behave or you'll be MODulated! 
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Isn't this all kinda like bragging on a baseball team that finally makes it to the world series after three decades? Yeah they are winners NOW, but where have they been up to this point. Not to mention that it took how many years for anyone to even show up when it comes to matching the power and overall line up of Can-am. Even if this quad turns out to be everything that everyone is speculating it will be.. they're still pulling up the rear aren't they? In the big scheme of things the power and handling of the Can-am quads are basically the benchmark at this point and AC is just trying to reach and excede that benchmark. If they do excede it then a new benchmark has been made, and THEN the bragging can begin. But to brag on something that hasn't even been released yet is kinda premature if you ask me.
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hoopie Member
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"power and handling of the Can-am quads are basically the benchmark " well the power is. The handling isnt IMO. That depends on what you want the quad to do with handling. the arctic cat suspension was much better at rock crawling, the polaris was better (not much) at comfort, and the grizzly 700 is better at riding faster through tight woods and woops. So the only claim can am can make at being on top is Power IMO and cat might take that away temporarily.
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massmudder Member
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hoopie wrote: Massmudder, I stated that before any details were released on the design phase. It appears Cat did there homework on new ATV's. I think this new frame and "sit in seat" design is going to help the handling alot. Im a cat fan also and dont care who is faster because it will be short lived anyways. I cant wait to test drive one. i agree 100% the brp has awsum power but the front diff refused to lock when i needed it the most,and turn 29,5 laws like no tommorow, im looking for torque to turn these tires in peanut butter mud. as far as the speed im sure the new tc will have that too but im not after that. im looking for pure torque with and diff lock that stays locked and the most ground clearence possible and the cats cover all bases for that,dont get me wrong as i stated before the can ams are nice but not for my style of riding Attachment: tn_max 29.5s.jpg (Downloaded 160 times)
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How much rear wheel torque is the tc suppose to have? Last edited on Mon Sep 10th, 2007 09:59 pm by Goodsound ____________________ I just ralphed... |
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cc1999 Mod
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They have not released any real specs yet. When they do it will be more likely crank hp numbers. I should have some wheel numbers once I get mine. I had some adaptors made that will allow me to use the same dyno tires that I tested all my other machines with. That should keep it pretty fair for comparison. New thread with new info and video links.
____________________ Current Quads: 2009 Outlander Black 800R XT 2009 Sportsman 850 XP EPS Stealth Black "Ordered" Due in NOV/DEC 2008 Polaris Sportsman 800 X2 LE Stealth Black, Bumpers, handguards, 26" Bighorns, on Black OEM cast alum rims, side bags, and one big ole ice chest. 2006 Outlander 840 RED, Woods pipe, Cowtown Clutch work, Diamond G/Chapman heads/ Diamond G Cams / Power Commander III, Renegade seperate brakes, XT hand guards, 26" Bighorn Radials on Black type 7 rims. Recent Past Quads: 2008 ThunderCat 1000,2006 Diamond G Outy 800,2008 Honda White Rincon 680 EFI,2008 Polaris 800 RZR,2007 Can-am Renegade 800,2006 Outlander 800 XT , 2006 Outlander MAX 800,2005 Polaris 800 Sportsman |
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OSOKILL Admin Assist/ Enforcer
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cc1999 wrote: I had some adaptors made that will allow me to use the same dyno tires that I tested all my other machines with. That should keep it pretty fair for comparison. thats a great idea ... it will remove a lot of the varibles good job cc
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massmudder Member
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the only problem with a chassis dyno with a cvt system is it wont tell you a 100% whats going to the wheels, but you can get somewhat of a baseline comparing it to the outtie. as soon as mine gets here im going to have the Eng dynoed off the crank. that way there is no questions what kind of power and torque the Eng is putting out. Ive already talked to the shop that dynoes sleds and jet ski, its just a matter of machining a hub to fit the crank. until then its just an assumption
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Northern Bomb Man Member. 
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An OL 650 will  ing anhililate a Polaris 800 in acceleration and handling, if U think otherwise U are mistaken. I have raced a OL 500 against a Popo 800 with sad results for the Popo..... Now the video on the new Cat does look good..And that machine looks to have power. But how come the guy who is obviously a die hard cat fan that throws the party at his house, he directly says that the TC feels almost as powerful as the OL 800........ He actually says it a few times. Doesn't seem to me that he was that impressed with the power of it after riding the OL 800. NBM.
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massmudder Member
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maybe if you listen to what he says, because of the shorter wheelbase of the outtie its misleading that it feels like its about the same power. he also said if you listend, no dought the cat is the quickest in and out of the turns period. lenthining a chassis 2-1/2 inches does alot of weight transfer, look what 8 inches does to the max, all it does is burn the tires, try to do a wheelie with a max its virtually impossible, unless you hit a speed bump. you also forgot to mention that he says he has been 80mph+ on the cat not by gps. he also stated that the cat gets to that spped quicker than the outie  .but in any case this is all hearsay as far as im concerned, my buddy has a outtie 800 and i plan on having a drag race with him on pavement, win or lose i am going to tape it, if i lose i eat crow, but when i win nothing but smiles  Last edited on Wed Sep 12th, 2007 05:20 pm by massmudder |
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Goodsound
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massmudder wrote: the only problem with a chassis dyno with a cvt system is it wont tell you a 100% whats going to the wheels, but you can get somewhat of a baseline comparing it to the outtie. How many CVT quads have you dynoed at the rear wheels? What kind of dyno? Last edited on Wed Sep 12th, 2007 05:38 pm by Goodsound ____________________ I just ralphed... |
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