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 Posted: Fri Dec 8th, 2006 11:43 am
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Can Am Renegade Review by member JDUDDING650


A few days after the last GNCC race, I was in my local Can-am dealership, Swampfox Motorsports, meeting Jimmie Odell for the first time. Jimmie is a district sales manager with Can-am, who also races the GNCC circuit from time to time. He also ran the Baja 1000 this year with Mike Penland. Jimmie informed me that Can-am would be sending demo Renegades out to a six dealers across the country. Before being put into production, the demo units were going to be field tested for 2000 miles then returned to the factory. After M&J Sales in Chapmanville, WV received the Renegade, Jimmie invited me to ride. M&J was selected partially because they are located near the trail head of the Hatfield McCoy Trail. A perfect proving ground for any machine.

Before I begin my review, I feel it is important to let you know my style of riding . My first year in racing in the GNCC circuit was 2006, unfortunately I was unable to run the entire series due to complications following a surgery. During the season, I never finished lower than 5th place and finished as high as 2nd in the Utility Modified class. When I ride, I ride wide open. Typically on a practice track for a several hours two to three times a week. I rarely trail ride, and only use my utility for racing or practice, so my views are obviously going to be different than some. In 2000, I purchased my first utility, a Wolverine. Since then I have owned a Grizzly 600, Grizzly 660, Honda Rincon, Bruteforce 750, Wolverine 450, Bruteforce 650 SRA, and most recently a Outlander 650. I chose the 650 so that I would also be eligible to race in the WPSA series. As you can see I have experience on a great deal of machines, and unfortunately they need replacing often. To aid in the review I invited two of my friends to join me and bring their machines for a heads up comparison . One machine was a highly modified Kawasaki Prairie with a 770 big bore kit and Elkas all the way around. The other was my modified Outlander 650, and our tour guide was on a Outlander 800.

We got to the riding area, unloaded the bikes, and suited up. I of course ran straight to the Renegade and fired it up. Immediately I noticed small differences; totally different gauge layout , adjustable handle bars, aggressive foot pegs, and viewing front tires much like a sport bike when looking forward. Once I let it idle for a minute we were off. Obviously I had to see what it had so I cracked the throttle wide open . Instantly I was looking at the sky until the trail made me let it down. At that point I believe our trail leader realized this was not going to be his typical demo ride.

Working our way down off a very steep mountain I realized the Renegade had tremendous engine braking. Even better than the outlander. Possibly due to the difference in weight it is very noticeable. At the bottom of the hill we crossed a creek. That’s when I realized I was more than likely going to get wet. After crossing dozens of creeks during the 43 mile ride, I was surprisingly dry, but don’t expect anywhere near the mud and water protection of a true utility bike. Of course this is not a utility bike it is more like the greatest machine to ever be conceived and hard to categorize.

As I rode the Renegade I was literally in disbelief. I imagined it was going to be an Outlander in sporty plastic and with stiffer front suspension. There is nothing further from the truth. I found myself scratching my head in amazement, of how Can-am could take two machines that share the same frame and drive train and make them so different. I previously mentioned we brought other machines to compare the Renegade too. Well I brought the wrong ATV‘s. It would have been much more comparable if I would have brought a Raptor 700 and a V-force. This feels nothing like my Outlander, when we would rotate riders I was sick when I would have to get back on my bike. The same bike that before getting on the Renegade I thought was the greatest. If you gathered a group of folks together who knew nothing about ATV’s and had them ride each of these bikes one after another, people would bet their salaries that the Outlander and Renegade had nothing in common, especially the frame.

It all really starts with the suspension. Everything appears similar, yet is dramatically different. Up front the A-arms are different and position the shock not only at a vertical angle, but also horizontally. When the suspension flexes it moves up and back, not just up and down. This allows the weight of the entire machine to accept the blow, not just the front end. The front springs are not dual rate. They are progressive with preload adjustment. The springs were set in the middle position and a little stiff for me, however I weigh 150 lbs soaking wet. To the average rider they would probably be spot on. I rummaged through the tool kit and found a preload adjuster and quickly set them to the softest setting on the rear and just one notch to the softer side on the front. That’s all it took it was perfect.

Its hard to explain how well this bike handles. You quickly forget you are on a 600 lb 4x4. When compared to other utility machines the Renegade is so unbelievably planted. There is no body roll, or top heavy feel. The front end does not push through the corners, it just simply carves the corner. There is no nose dive, or feeling of an unsettled bike. This machine will make you ride it hard and fast. I know I will be faster just because of the improvements in how it corners. I have seat time on a Raptor 700, to me the steering feel and the cornering are close. The more intensity at which you push this machine, the more confident you become.

Now I am sure you are all wondering what about the power. Is there really any doubt? It’s a monster. It is faster out of the hole than the Outlander 800, and just pours it on. The power is precise and easily controlled, but make no mistake this machine is not for the inexperienced rider. I am used to the Rotax power, and didn’t feel the need to make that the main focus of the article. The guy who hasn’t ever ridden a Can-am or a highly modified Kawasaki V-twin, be prepared to have your arms stretched and your heart to skip a beat. It will be wildly intense.

I know you are wondering, “so what’s wrong with it”. Well, not a whole lot. I am telling you Can-am has hit a homerun. However, they should have separated the braking system. It’s a sport machine, give it sport bike brakes. The tire selection of the ITP Holeshot ATR’s are perfect for traction and handling, but suffer from week sidewalls like many factory tires. I had two flats during my ride. Granted we were in some rocky conditions. As a matter of fact, we even cut a Bighorn. However the Bighorn took a major hit from a very sharp rock. The ITP’s were just getting shredded in what I consider a pretty average day of riding in the mountains of West Virginia. Another problem with this machine is that it will be hard to keep friends if you are riding a Renegade, because you are going to embarrass your buddies quads.

The Renegade is simply the most amazing 4x4 ever built. Have doubts? Ride one it will make a believer out of you. This machine is for the sport bike guy who wants a little more, its for the utility rider who likes to push it to the limit, it is for me, I know that. I have been wanting a machine like this since I rode my first Wolverine, and I know a lot of you have been too. Thank you Can-am for finally building it. Thanks to Jimmie Odell, M&J Motorsports, and of course my dealer Mike Davidson at Swampfox Motorsports for all of the support he gives me.

 

 



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 Posted: Sat Dec 30th, 2006 10:29 pm
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Ok here goes, 2 days of riding 42 miles on it.

Positives: Smooth power delivery throughout powerband. Great fit for the rider. I am 6'2" and it feels like an old glove when you throw a leg over it. The steering and handling are better than any 4x4 I have ever driven. Better than Grizz 660, Polaris 700, Polaris 500 HO, Brute Force 750. As you drive down the road at 30 mph and turn from side to side the atv moves under you with minmal roll. It feels very responsive. I has great off camber abilities. Riding side hills it felt very stable and non-tippy. Shocks are spot on from the factory for me. I'm 240lbs and their is minimal body roll with shocks at middle setting. Great headlights once adjusted. The headlights are white, I mean somewhere around 4500-5000 Kelvin. The fisheye lenses on low beam have a horizontal reflector somewhere in the housing or bulb that cuts off the top of the beam and probably reflects it back downward. I had to adjust the lights up (which was incredibly easy). The lights create a wide horizontal bar of light on low beam that have few dim areas. On high beam the beams make a near perfect circle way out in front of you. I can't emphasize the brightness of the incan bulbs. I've run hid's on my other atvs and I am not going to add any additional lights for this one. If someone drives at you with one of these it blinds you at certain angles like looking into an led flashlight with a fisheye lense. There is a reinforcing plate on the rear arms that I don't recall seeing on the outlander 800's and there is an aluminum plate about 1/8" thick covering the front of the frame that is prone to damage. There is no additional coverage behind that. The exhaust has a side heat shield on the left side and a heat shield on top and some reflective tape on the seat. The exhaust has about 1 1/2" clearance above the cvt cover and the cvt did not feel very warm even when the fan was running. I checked under the seat after riding slow and stopping several times and the seat was only slightly warm. I don't see how warping will be an issue for most riders. The 25" ATR's are big. I have a set of 26" ATR's and am not sure if they are much bigger. I could not get my tire guy to change them until Jan 2. The front 25 ATR's do appear narrower. I will post complete measurments (height, width, circumference) of tires and air pressures at measurements when I change them in Jan. The seat is very plush and comfortable. Launching the renegade it just goes forward. I was expecting to be trying to control a wheelie but it doesn't. I haven't tried a launch on a hard dry surface. Trail riding is is second to nothing I have ever ridden including two wheelers such as the 400 ex. I don't believe with its center of gravity and weight that it would compete with the race 2wheelers, even modified. But racing though bumps at 20-50 mph in the woods it embarrasses the 2 wheelers. I can run through our bumpy section and the pot holes in the trail at tremendous speeds with ease where on prior atvs the adrenaline was squirting out my eyes trying hold speed like this. The ignition is nice with the programmable key and the fact that the display says "hello Scott" to me whenever it starts. The tech explained this is a theft detection as it can only be reprogrammed using BRP software. So if its stolen and taken to a dealership for repairs, there is a slight chance that the mechanic/dealer would figure out it was yours and not the theif who brought it in.
Negatives: You will get muddy. As expected it lacks great coverage over the wheels. I can say however that the atv got alot muddier than I did. There is just enough protection at the right angles to protect your legs and you from the majority of roost. Roost is the correct term. I now appreciate the coverage the other 4x4s provide. The headlights have a love/hate relationship with the top of the low beam horizontally cut-off. It goes from great light to no light with a razor sharp horizontal line. I adjusted mine up dramatically and now they annoy everything in front of me. If you don't when you go down into a low spot in the trail you cannot see what lies beyond. It is a little unnerving at hight speeds through up and down sections of our trails. Now it is ok but would be so much better if they did not limit the top of the low beam with the cut-off or reflector plate or what ever makes it do it. There is a slight chug to cvt as it engages at idle and creep speed and little whine that has developed. I'm not sure if its the notorious brake pads or what but it should be mentioned. Only one key. It doesn't start in gear. My right hand still searches for the brake that isn't there. My last negative is also a question to the other renegade owners. I cannot get my multifunctional display to do a dual display or show the rpms. The manual calls for holding the display button for 2 seconds. I have held it for minutes with the atv on/off, neutral, park and in gear. Nothing. It may have to go back next week to have a tech look at it. As others have stated only 6 month warranty and it's another $800 for the 36 month. With the heat shielding and approx. 1 1/2" clearance from the exhaust and the cvt it may not be a problem. Without the cvt cover and shocks problems would you need the 36 month warranty that only covers the engine/tran with a $50 deductible. Last negative is my wallet is alot lighter. In closing I have never driven any atv that works as this one does. 2 wheelers slide easy but are too tiny for a guy my size and ride like sh*!@# over bumps and ruts. This thing slides better than any independent 4x4 and eats up the bumps better than anything I've rode 2wd or 4wd. If you are a weekend warrior on the trails and are not into the whole "I can go through more mud than you" scene than this may be your dream atv. I predict it may become a decent sand maching with some paddles coupled with the 4x4 capability. Anything this fun has to be tried. Beg a friend that gets one to let you ride. Until you throw a leg over it believeing others claims will be hard to accept. Lastly I vowed restraint during break-in. Well like any speed junky I had moments of weakness. I only went 69 mph if that is restraint. I can't wipe that slightly muddy smile off my face. I'm gonna keep this one, now I just need to decide which workhorse 4x4 I'm gonna get to carry all the gear with for my wife to drive. :ban:



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 Posted: Sat Dec 30th, 2006 11:49 pm
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Good review toolboy. Welcome to the forum.



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 Posted: Mon Jan 8th, 2007 01:01 am
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wow Toolboy sounds like your sure enjoying yours and now i am so much more excited about getting mine. your review sounds great and mine will be up here by the weekend if all goes as planned, i sure hope i can resist crackin' the throttle wide open, i have alot of snow to drive through right now so that should help a little bit.



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 Posted: Thu Aug 16th, 2007 12:42 pm
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I love my Renegade.  I have the same problem with the display not switching from tachometer to speedometer and vice versa.  I've tried all different ways too, nothing.  But it must be old age, since my 19 year old walks up and pushes the exact same buttons, and it works!:pod:

 



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 Posted: Fri Sep 21st, 2007 02:53 am
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I am waiting on the X package and then will be buying one.  I am currently on a KFX 700 V Force and was just wondering if I can expect somewhat similar handling characteristics as I love my KFX but am looking for a little more protection from the elements, and a ride that doesnt beat the heck out of me as we ride about 150-200 miles at a time. Any insight would be appreciated.

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 Posted: Fri Sep 21st, 2007 04:15 am
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I looked at the KFX 700 before I bought the Renegade.  I there are some similarities, but I believe the Renegade is alot better on trails.  The IRS makes for a much better ride and you will have alot more ground clearance.

I just ordered the new factory rear rack to try.  The Kawasaki has been around alot longer and there is alot more aftermarket stuff out there for it.



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 Posted: Sat Sep 29th, 2007 01:12 pm
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WallyD wrote: I love my Renegade.  I have the same problem with the display not switching from tachometer to speedometer and vice versa.  I've tried all different ways too, nothing.  But it must be old age, since my 19 year old walks up and pushes the exact same buttons, and it works!:pod:

 


I too had the same problem. The issue is you have to be on the odometer screen to change the MPH / RPM screen. Common sence tells you to be on the screen you want to change. But that is not how it works.

I got the BRP rear rack last week. It is small but looks good. Not sure how functional it will be though. I do have the bag on order too. Was also looking at the small boxes that you put on a bike or scooter. They are hard plastic and seal from the elements. Would easily mount to the rack. But not sure if it would look out of place or not.

I doubt that you will have much more element protection than the KFX700. But you could always add some sort of mudflap if that is an issue. I just ordered some plastic last night to do just that. While the X machine has a lot of nice features, I'm not too sure I would want a black ATV. Probably would look bad after a few washings. They are out though. My dealer got 4 last week. The ride is definitely rougher than the Outlander but I liked it better. Felt smaller, handled turning in a tight wooded trail situation better IMHO.



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I would agree with you in that there isn't much more protection from the elements but the full floor boards have to help a little.  Keep us posted on what you do about fender flares with that plastic you ordered.  There is also someone else making flares for the renegade, I think it is primemover.

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use to own a 660 raptor.... but in april i'm getting a renegade 800..... will i be happy with it ???? i think i will love it.

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It will have the same or more pull then the 660, but you will lose the top end. You will love it. Take a bit to break it in good. Hard on hard off. And get use to a longer stopping distance. Its double the weight almost and take a more distance. And the best part is the 4X4 switch from the 660.



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I've never ridden the raptor.  But, the Renegade is an IRS quad.  So it will obviously ride higher and handle differently.   They are both good machines but the Renegade can do sooooo much more on trails.



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 Posted: Fri Feb 15th, 2008 09:08 pm
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Anyone try out the Renegae 500 Yet? I've got an 800 outlander, and thinking about picking up a Renegade 500 for sport riding/wife/friends.



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 Posted: Mon Feb 18th, 2008 06:48 pm
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From what I can see, I can't figure out why they make a 500 Renegade.  Same weight and price, less power.  But then I am a big 800 fan.  Maybe I am missing something?



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I broke down and got a Renegade 500 on 2/22. Weather sucks right now, so I've only ridden a little. The Renegade does feel a lot different than my outlander 800, starting with power. I'll still get up and go, but it like slow motion compared to my 800. If you never rode an 800, you'd think it was fast. Suspension feels awesome, like it wants to be jumped and punished. Best part so far, my 12 year old isn't afraid of it, but she did ok on my 800. Predictable power, feels like power steering compared to my Outlander, and as my kid says, ride your own.



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They made the renegade 500 for people who dont want all the power of the 800. Lets face it, for trail riding you dont need an 800 cc quad. In fact that extra power can make it much harder to ride in certain cituations, especailly in tighter trails. Its about 1600 less also so there is a good price difference. its a great quad for the lady riders also. The Polaris scrambler has been a great trail quad for a long time and this is its better competition. I would love to get one but it needs to go on about a 100 diet and a little smaller in size.



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good reading thanks

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i recently bought a 800 x and love it..ive had 3 freinds come and ride my rennie and they are all going to buy one..they have king quads now..its a great machine and we got my wife a outlander 400 efi to haul all the stuff..now we all know that a family that plays together stays together..and by the way she told me to get the 800 x!



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