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Half Stuck Member 
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Since there were a bunch of us Yahoo's installing the Dalton Clutch Kit we might as well post and compare the results (Before and After). Tires: 27" Bighorn Radials (Heavy SOB's) Exhaust: Stock Air Filter: Twin Air. Modified Lid with 12 1" Unifilters Installed Altitude: 5600' (Sea Level ECM Setting) Rivets Used in Fly Weights: None My bike is fully loaded weight wise with a full front and rear trunk, dual Fender Bags carrying everything but the kitchen Sink most of the time. I had lost a good bit of Spunk due to the heavy 27" Bighorn tires anyway but I was not willing to put the stock tires back on or unload my payload to gain the top end back. I put the Dalton Clutch kit in and you would not believe the pep put back in the bike. I did a quick time and went from 0-55mph in about 7 seconds. The front end actually came back up off the shocks and tried to wheelie which I had not seen in a long time. It was far more fun to ride. I have however noticed a BIG drop in gas milage which I guess I was expecting. I filled the tank and went about 70 miles and filled back up with only 3 bars left. I guess I am willing to deal with using more gas and not being able to go as far to keep the pep back in the bike. It does have more power in High gear and slower speeds. I have noticed that I hit 2,000rpm before the bike starts to move. It has pleanty of torque but if you try and do a log crawl in high gear it will do fine unless the tire does not move and then you will smoke the belt a lot easier. All in all I am glad I did it and would do it again.
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Half Stuck Member
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Wow, I guess nobody has install their Dalton Clutch kit yet. I tried to start a thread for everyone to post their results in so everyone can make a decision if it is for them or not, but no other post makes that kinda hard. 
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Neuromax Member
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Tires: 27" Mudlite XTR's Exhaust: Stock Air Filter: Stock Altitude: 500-3500 Rivets Used in Fly Weights: None I ride with a front and rear box loaded all the time and a full set of Richochet skids. When I went to the 27" XTR's I lost that bottom end power it had stock. People new to the bike were still amazed at the power but they didn't know what it was missing and I did. Once I put the clutch kit in I got that back, now those same people are really amazed. It is like it was when it was bone stock with tires and no cargo boxes. In my opinion WELL worth the money; it is also a VERY easy install with basic tools, nothing special needed. Last edited on Fri Nov 10th, 2006 07:05 pm by Neuromax |
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cc1999
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Half Stuck wrote: Wow, I guess nobody has install their Dalton Clutch kit yet. I tried to start a thread for everyone to post their results in so everyone can make a decision if it is for them or not, but no other post makes that kinda hard. Thats what I was thinking, I see Neuromax posted a nice review this morrning, but for me I am looking for info on how they work with stock tires and minimal extra equipment. I know the Daltons I have tried in the past were good about fixing bottom end problems, related to big tire and wheel combo's but with stockers they killed the top end. I herd the Outlander kit was good all all around, just looking for conformation of that.
____________________ Current Quads: 2009 Outlander Black 800R XT 2009 Sportsman 850 XP EPS Stealth Black "Ordered" Due in NOV/DEC 2008 Polaris Sportsman 800 X2 LE Stealth Black, Bumpers, handguards, 26" Bighorns, on Black OEM cast alum rims, side bags, and one big ole ice chest. 2006 Outlander 840 RED, Woods pipe, Cowtown Clutch work, Diamond G/Chapman heads/ Diamond G Cams / Power Commander III, Renegade seperate brakes, XT hand guards, 26" Bighorn Radials on Black type 7 rims. Recent Past Quads: 2008 ThunderCat 1000,2006 Diamond G Outy 800,2008 Honda White Rincon 680 EFI,2008 Polaris 800 RZR,2007 Can-am Renegade 800,2006 Outlander 800 XT , 2006 Outlander MAX 800,2005 Polaris 800 Sportsman |
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800ccGRIN Member
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I've got the stock(XT) act tires on and ran with steel rivets in weights for a week or so. took it to the local mud pit and it ran great. never had a chance at full throttle. To be quite honest, nothing changed except the what rpm the cvt grabs at. from 1800rpm? to 2200rpm. Quite softer too. After the mud run, i had the cvt cover off to clean it out(no mud chunks, just a little water intake). can't tell if it came in through the intake, or if it's due to the little warping going on(right below the exhaust). I drilled the steel rivets out of the weights and put it back togather just out of curiosity. Now i can tell i did something. This is not what Daulton calls for(stock tires/steel rivets), but i like the feel of the quad wanting to take off from under me. i still haven't had a chance at full throttle. i'll update on top end when i can get er on the road.
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Elan Member 
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Tires: Rear 30X12X12" Front 30X10X12" ITP XXL Mud Lite Exhaust: Modified Stock Air Filter: Stock Altitude: Stock Rivets Used in Fly Weights: None I've been riding without the rivets since i got the kit. - and with stock tires, acceleration was Explosive! and topspeed was the same as stock. But now with 30" Mud Lites on, top speed on road has fallen from 80mph at 8100rpm to 60 mph at 7300rpm and acceleration is somewhat better than stock, Guess i better get the EFI controller and the HMF.  Last edited on Sat Nov 11th, 2006 08:12 pm by Elan ____________________ Havehads: 97' Yamaha 450 Kodiak 97' Suzuki 280 Quad King 02' Yamaha 660 Grizzly 04' BRP Outlander 400 Max HO |
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namor Member 
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I run 27" 589's so I started with no rivets. Hard to tell any big difference, my ass dyno tells me I have a better low end torque, but that's what I have read it should be ... so I'm not sure. I also added Rikochet's at the same time. For sure I got 2050 in engagement rpm and a softer gripping from start. I however didn't like the fenomena Half Stuck mentions, smokling the belt doing a log crawl in high gear, which I see as a result of the softer gripping. But I'm glad that I'm not alone exeriencing this, fought I was crasy.... I have now put in the steel rivets against the recommendations, but I like the clutch more like it is now, with a sligtly harder gripping from start. I have the same angagement rpm and topspeed with the rivets as without. These are my experiences and no absolute facts.. I still like the kit!
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cmepoo Member 
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Tires: Rear 29.5X12X12" Front 29.5X10X12" outlaws Exhaust: HMF Air Filter: Stock Altitude: Stock Rivets Used in Fly Weights: None I did not like this clutch kit. I ran it for a couple of rides. Did help snap the tires from a standstill. But it made the bike a little too jerky for the trail riding. I think that I you were going to run the tracks or a bigger tie that this would be a great mod. Or if you just want to pop some wheelies.
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Bomb800xt Member 
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Tires: Stock Exhaust: Stock Air Filter: Stock Altitude: 1500' (Sea Level ECM Setting) Rivets Used in Fly Weights: Steel OK guys this is the first part of my results on the Dalton kit. For starters I measured off distances of 200' and 300'. All times were done on blacktop. Yes, I did this on the highway. The road that is in front of my house does not have hardly any traffic on Sundays. I did this threw the use of my own stop watch that I had straped to the left hand grip. It was easy to perform the start and stop this way but the times are a little skewed. Probably a tenth of a second or two at the start while I was pushing the buttons. Temperature outside was roughly in the lower 60's and after the 10 hr. service it was roughly 45° and then the day that I installed the Dalton was about 55°.....my Outty was nice and warmed up. Warmed up to the point that the fan was running off and on throughout all of the runs. I did the 200' runs first. I have to tell you that on blacktop.......getting a good time is all about the take off. My tires took quite a beating and are visibly worn down a little from the spinning at take off. Keep in mind that these times are on an Outty XT. Probably seems pretty slow compared to some but this is what it did. Oh, one more thing I did do a run in 4wd.........200'........and it was right at the average of all of the 200' runs. 200' times 10 hr. service Dalton installed 4.83 sec. 4.61 sec. 4.35 sec. 4.68 sec. 4.60 sec. 4.34 sec. 4.66 sec. 4.46 sec. 4.29 sec. 4.57 sec. 4.43 sec. 4.25 sec. 4.57 sec. 4.38 sec. 4.23 sec. 4.53 sec. 4.34 sec. 4.46 sec. 4.31 sec. 4.34 sec. Avg 4.58 sec. Avg. 4.44 sec. Avg. 4.292 sec. 300' times 10 hr. service Dalton installed 5.89 sec. 5.94 sec. 5.56 sec. 5.88 sec. 5.86 sec. 5.52 sec. 5.85 sec. 5.83 sec. 5.42 sec. 5.84 sec. 5.82 sec. 5.30 sec. 5.19 sec. Avg 5.865 sec. Avg. 5.862 sec. Avg. 5.398 sec. TIMES UPDATED ON 11/25/06 and 11/26/06. I was getting faster every time, just about every run was getting a little better. I was going to continue but the traffic started to show up in hte late afternoon. All runs were done back to back with no shutdown in between..............even between the 200' and 300' runs. I will post up tomorrow with the rest of my results if I can get everything finished on time. Stay tuned. 11/26/2006: Here are the final results. There is not doubt that my wheeler is alot quicker. I installed the clutch kit myself today with the steel rivets as recommended by the paperwork that comes with the kit. I did not talk to a Dalton Tech. or anyone else about another recommendation when dealing with the rivets. I shaved a couple tenths off of my previous times when running the 200 footer and about a half a second on the 300 footer. Ther real impressive time was the last 300 footer. Rode a wheelie for the first 100' and just stayed with it and turned in a 5.19. That time is just a couple tenths behind some of my previous 200' times. I am very impressed with this kit and cannot wait to do this all over again when I install the Dobeck and HMF. Last edited on Sun Nov 26th, 2006 09:21 pm by Bomb800xt ____________________ Green 07' Outlander 800 XT Team Outty Member #175 Stainless Steel Shift Knob Modified Ricochet skids DEI/ThermoTec Radiant heat barrier Rear shorties installed in the front Dalton PRO clutch ***Working on a Rad. fan mod*** |
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Half Stuck Member
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Bomb800xt, thanks, that was a great post to see the times. At first glance the times don't look like that impressive of a change, but you can definatly tell the change in the "Seat of your Pants" feel as you take off. cemepoo, I see you said the ride felt more jerky on the trails after the kit was installed. Are you sure the jerkyness wasn't from those Big Arse (near 30") Outlaw Mudding tires on a hard pack trail? With the 27" Radial Bighorns and all the extra gear onboard I needed the kit to get my snap back, but geez I wish it would not suck so much gas.
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Bomb800xt Member
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I agree.........the "seat of the pants" dyno defintely lets you know it is different. Not so much as you would think in the very low rpms like around 2500-2800 but the midrange is killer. I am positive that if I kept on trying I could get a 5.0 sec. in the 300 footer. I should also go below that once I get the HMF and the Dobeck installed....................if I can launch it good.
____________________ Green 07' Outlander 800 XT Team Outty Member #175 Stainless Steel Shift Knob Modified Ricochet skids DEI/ThermoTec Radiant heat barrier Rear shorties installed in the front Dalton PRO clutch ***Working on a Rad. fan mod*** |
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cc1999
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Wow, thanks bomb. Thats what I have been waiting to see. great work. I am ordering a kit right away. a 1/2 second in a 300 foot drag is a lot, I would guess at least 2 bike lengths. I can't wait to see your times with the pipe and TFI. Just for fun try it with and without the TIF. I think you might be surprised. Its really not that lean without the TFI. Something like mid 13s on air/fuel vs 13 even. Thanks again.
____________________ Current Quads: 2009 Outlander Black 800R XT 2009 Sportsman 850 XP EPS Stealth Black "Ordered" Due in NOV/DEC 2008 Polaris Sportsman 800 X2 LE Stealth Black, Bumpers, handguards, 26" Bighorns, on Black OEM cast alum rims, side bags, and one big ole ice chest. 2006 Outlander 840 RED, Woods pipe, Cowtown Clutch work, Diamond G/Chapman heads/ Diamond G Cams / Power Commander III, Renegade seperate brakes, XT hand guards, 26" Bighorn Radials on Black type 7 rims. Recent Past Quads: 2008 ThunderCat 1000,2006 Diamond G Outy 800,2008 Honda White Rincon 680 EFI,2008 Polaris 800 RZR,2007 Can-am Renegade 800,2006 Outlander 800 XT , 2006 Outlander MAX 800,2005 Polaris 800 Sportsman |
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Bomb800xt Member
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No problem. Glad to do it. I am leaving for work on Tuesday and will be gone 3 weeks again so I will do the install once I return and post up some more numbers.
____________________ Green 07' Outlander 800 XT Team Outty Member #175 Stainless Steel Shift Knob Modified Ricochet skids DEI/ThermoTec Radiant heat barrier Rear shorties installed in the front Dalton PRO clutch ***Working on a Rad. fan mod*** |
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cmepoo Member
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I raced a complete stock bomb with 29.5's brand new off the showroom. A dozen races side by side no diff, until top end the stock bomb pulled away every time. And I had the 29.5's before I but the clutch kit on, the tight trails was jerky. But just my results every bike is diff. engaged at 2300 rpm's vs 1800 stock. this was with the rear clutch spring to. Last edited on Mon Nov 27th, 2006 05:54 pm by cmepoo ____________________ http://s188.photobucket.com/albums/z230/cmepoo/ |
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bombman Site Sponsor 
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Hey bud with that secondary spring and the clutch kit from dalton is really going to make your top end slow But should work really well for you with running 29.5 tires  thats a big tire to run any one runs big huge mud tires like that really dont care about top speed most are realy concerned about the gain back of power lost from the tires. If your looking to race take out the secondary spring and put the stocker back in you'll gain mph Also guy's seeing big speeds with there stock setup with stock tires and then going to like 30'' tires wheel see a diff. mph but with the KIT in like 300ft or 500ft you should see faster times with the clutch kit for sure on a timer and better backshift in the mud holes where most people running huge tires are most of the time and not really concerned about top speed. Looks like everyone really likes the Dalton clutch kit and i would like to thank everyone for purchasing there kits from dicks atv.
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Northern Bomb Man Member 
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Is anyone running 26" ITP 589's with the Dalton kit? If so, are U using the arms without the rivots or with? Thanx NBM.
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namor Member
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I'm running 27" 589's with the steel rivets as mentioned in my earlier post. I like it best like this. Just want to add that i made a quick swap to the standard spring, and all mighty, what a difference. Something like putting a to big front sprocket on my old moped In other words, it felt like I lost guite many ponies and I also lost around 5km/h in top speed.. Naturally the Dalton spring is back in place. The clutch kit does work !!
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Half Stuck Member
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I have just tried my Clutch Kit with the Apachie Track Kit I have installed today for a Maiden voyage. In High gear I can light up all 4 tracks without hesitation which is pretty amazing. It looked like I was driving around with my own personal snow storm over me.
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atvmodster Member 
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What top speeds you guys getting?
____________________ 2008 Thundercat 950 H2!!! Black Magic Exhaust 3.6 Gears 25 inch maxxis Razr 4-speed tires (racing) 29.5 inch Highlifter Outlaws (mudding) Motosport Alloy Tork rims Fully Snorkaled Lifted 2006 Red Can-Am Outlander XT 800 H.O (SOLD) Had just about everything done to it possible! |
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atvmodster Member
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Think the dalton would work well with my mods? I love low end-mid range power! I just dont want to loose alot of top speed.
____________________ 2008 Thundercat 950 H2!!! Black Magic Exhaust 3.6 Gears 25 inch maxxis Razr 4-speed tires (racing) 29.5 inch Highlifter Outlaws (mudding) Motosport Alloy Tork rims Fully Snorkaled Lifted 2006 Red Can-Am Outlander XT 800 H.O (SOLD) Had just about everything done to it possible! |
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